'No-Fault' = No Kids

Townhall ^ | 11/25/2007 | Kevin McCullough

[texgal]

If you don't like no-fault divorce, change the law.

We've been trying for years to do just that. It's not as easy as you make it sound. As long as the law allows people to treat their families like trash to be disposed of whenever they decide, for absolutely not real reason at all, it will continue.

[najida]

The The Queen Mother Clucker of All Cluckers

[William Terrell]

I'd posit that the no-fault divorce is well known and leads to marriage without consideration. If there were no such thing, believe me, women would be a whole lot more discerning.

[najida]

Erm,
as a single woman who as dated ‘separated’ men, (they told me they were divorced!) To them, they’re as good as outta the marriage. And they were trying to break the last of the vows they hadn’t broken yet, before 10pm.

[Responsibility2nd]

Adding tagline....

[RockinRight]

I’ll be the first to say that divorce is too “easy” in the sense that people do give up.

However, the air on this thread that divorce should basically be unallowed or only allowed if one of the parties either carries briuses 24/7, or, the other spouse has a harem of other women/men and can document it on camera, takes it too far.

Yes, change the law. Don’t make it to where divorce law mimicks Sharia law.

[RockinRight]

Well...I better at least get a cut of those royalties.

;)

[slightlyovertaxed]

It is up to the parents to MAKE it loving and healthy instead of thinking of their own satisfaction. Once you have brought forth a child, the child’s well-being is central. Too many couples today are too selfish to concede this.

I believe you have a misunderstanding about adulthood. While I do not believe that living a responsibility-free, hedonistic, selfish life is a correct way of existence, adults are not merely creatures who should be miserable all the time. A child is happier when his parents are happier. As a child, I remember being pleased that my parents had friends, went out to dinners, went to shows without me, and essentially lived lives that were non-child-centric all the damn time. I couldn't imagine growing up in a household in which my sister and I were the focus 100% of the time. What would have have taught us? Knowing my parents were independent adults with their own lives made both of us independent, perhaps to a fault...I'm not good about asking for their help when they are willing to give it. :(

I am also biased because I am the child of a second marriage (my father's). He had his first two children before he was 28 and, for whatever reason, he and his wife divorced. They both remarried. My older sisters are married with children themselves. Their marriages are no worse than anyone else's , from what I can see. My father seems happy now, even though my childhood was a little tight because of the alimony payments (thank god for the military providing another income...). So perhaps divorce isn't the world-destroyer you'd like to pretend it is. In this case, it generated four happy adults and four acceptable children, instead of two miserable adults and two potentially miserable children.

[Claud]

There is no guarantee that a person will ever "come to his or her senses" and come home.

No, there isn't, you're right. But even that tiny percentage is still more than zero.

I would think it would be worse for children to hold on to false hope for years rather than to accept reality.

It's not a "false" hope, it is a hope for something that may be very improbable but which there still remains the possibility.

And hope is a virtue. "Reality" is not. If you want to see a sad, sad child, find one a little too acquainted with reality and a little too unacquainted with hope.

[William Terrell]

Preposterous. I don’t think I have ever read such a bunch of bunk.

Of course You're a woman. You win and prosper in a divorce.

[najida]

All sides want to do something ‘for our good.’

Save our bodies (don’t smoke)
Save our future (global warming)
Save our souls, our morals.
Save our marriages, our kids, our minds, our whatever

No one seems to want to let us to do what we were promised ‘to pursue happiness’. Not THEIR version of happiness, but OUR version of happiness.

And sometimes, it’s gonna piss’em off.

[vpintheak]

Yep, why buy the cow when the milk is free. I try to tell a younger female coworker that. Since she is lieberally indoctrinated she can’t really grasp the concept.

[najida]

Don’t like girls either do ya?

Well, you’re in the right place! ;)

[murphE]

No, they should not be forced by others; they should force themselves to stay together, to figure out a way to save their marriage for the sake of the children they both love. Too many people do not understand the entire concept of marital love. Love is not something that “happens” to you; you need to work on your marriage, nurture it every day. It’s not your love that sustains your marriage, but it is your marriage that sustains your love.

Bravo. "Luv" is a feeling, to love someone is an act of will.

[najida]

Or why buy a pig for a vienna sausage, when keilbasa makers are on sale on the web (It goes both ways darlin’).

[Hemingway's Ghost]

From time to time, some folks have told me I’m quite good at tongue-clucking. Yess... I’ve been called a clucker on more than a few occasions.

I'm sure you're being flippant, but on a self-styled conservative, the trait---playing social engineer---is unflattering.

[Claud]

Would you agree that they were probably outta the marriage even before their separation?

I think in some cases these men have led themselves into a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[HairOfTheDog]

That’s too bad... because you’re the only one that’s going to lose. You’ve been taken over by fear.

Happy people are just living this one life they’ve been given, as best they can. It beats sitting around moping your whole life that the system sucks so much.

There has never been a better time for you to be alive. This is it.

[RockinRight]

Hope is a pipe dream. Reality is reality.

I can “hope” that I wake up a millionaire tomorrow. Or, I can face reality, and realize that I must work to reach such a goal.

[Hemingway's Ghost]

I'm one of those dinosaurs who believe marriage is forever.

If your spouse feels otherwise, then it matters not a scrap what you think, no matter how high-falutin' your intentions.