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To: broncobilly

[And you claim to be an historian? You know zilch about Mormon history.
The Mountain Meadow Massacre had nothing to do with culling outsiders. It was a backlash of the massacre of Mormons at Haun’s Mill. It was the backlash of having been driven out of Missouri at gun point. It was the backlash against the burning of homes around Nauvoo. It was the backlash against the murder of Joseph Smith. It was the backlash against being driven out of Illinois into the western wilderness where their trail is marked by a string of graves from Nauvoo to the Salt Lake Valley. It was the backlash against the murder of a church leader in Arkansas. It was the backlash against Pres. Buchanan sending an army to Salt Lake City in 1857 to subdue them. They had been pushed one too many times and some of them struck back, unfortunately.]

Everything you just pointed out was - an attempt to cull outsiders! ! ! I mean, how dense can you get, no sprechen sie English??

“They had been pushed one too many times and some of them struck back, unfortunately.”

What a lie, they were in Utah out of control of national laws at that point, what part of “culling innocent men, women and children” do you not get? And the killing was done with the knowledge of Brigham Young, no less.

But I see you are proud of your heritage. Why don’t you read Wife No. 19 and see what a murderous band Brigham Young led.


40 posted on 11/25/2007 4:10:30 PM PST by FastCoyote
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To: FastCoyote
What a lie, they were in Utah out of control of national laws at that point,

Really? Then why was Johnston’s 1,500 man army marching towards them with no advanced warning or stated purpose? Mormons in Utah were in a state of high tension, expecting one more massacre at the hands of the Americans. The first movements of the Utah War were taking place. Scouts were sent out to empede the advance of the troops. Mormons were gathering their grain and supplies together wondering what more they had to endure. They were ready to even abandon homes and move on once again, to Mexico if necessary. The Fancher emigrant train moved through Utah angry with the Mormons because they would not sell them grain or supplies. Tensions grew between the Mormons and the emigrant train. There were threats and counter threats. There were boasts from some of the Fancher party that they had been part of early Mormon persecutions. There were threats that when the Fancher party got to California, they would send back more troops. When Brigham Young heard of the gathering conflict, he sent a fast rider with word to let the party go unharmed. It was too late. The massacre had already occurred. Mormons will always be embarrassed by the event. However, they are also angry when the story is told without the context. You refer to this story as a way Mormons handle dissidents. Actually it is a story of how many Americans handle dissidents. In fact, you can see that same spirit on FR today.
43 posted on 11/25/2007 7:31:54 PM PST by broncobilly
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