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Strategy for success evades pro-lifers
RenewAmerica.us ^ | November 5, 2007 | Judie Brown

Posted on 11/24/2007 8:34:51 PM PST by EternalVigilance

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To: EternalVigilance

There is grim irony in that the appeal to polls bolsters the author’s point about the abstraction of “abortion, the political issue” from “abortion, the real, physical act of violence in time and space” in the minds of much of the electorate.


21 posted on 11/24/2007 10:06:21 PM PST by Lexinom (Build the fence and call China to account. GoHunter08.com)
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To: Lexinom

Yes, the truth is stark.


22 posted on 11/24/2007 10:09:09 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Our God-given rights, and those of our posterity, are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Drew68

Can you explain to me the moral difference between tearing a child limb from limb and killing them five minutes before passing through the birth canal and five minutes after they have done so?


23 posted on 11/24/2007 10:10:44 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Our God-given rights, and those of our posterity, are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: EternalVigilance

Truly, Lord, let our hearts break from the things that break the heart of God.


24 posted on 11/24/2007 11:02:09 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: Drew68

*crickets*


25 posted on 11/24/2007 11:16:38 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Our God-given rights, and those of our posterity, are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Drew68
Oh, you must mean those piles of microscopic cells. A little hyperbole today? It is this kind of rhetoric that has so many mainstream Americans rolling their eyes the pro-life movement.

My rock is Jesus. There are people who make their living out of killing other people's children. We, as a church, need to make Psalm 137:9 a matter of consistent and public prayer. Happy are those who "dash" the children of these murderers against "the Rock" -- by evangelizing them. When I pray that verse of God's Word, with my New Testament perspective, I ask God to convert the children of abortionists into pro-life Christians.

We have a court to appeal to -- but are, I fear, too sold on the insipid notion that we are supposed to be nicer than God.

26 posted on 11/24/2007 11:36:56 PM PST by RJR_fan (Lovers and winners shape the future. Losers and whiners TRY TO PREDICT it.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Patience, FRiend. Not everyone FReeps 24/7.

While we wait, could you post that picture of the baby holding the doctor’s finger during surgery? I haven’t seen it lately, and it’s hard for me to post photos. I love that photo.


27 posted on 11/24/2007 11:37:24 PM PST by LilAngel (FReeping on a cell phone is like making Christmas dinner in an Easy Bake Oven)
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To: LilAngel
How's about this one for tonight?


28 posted on 11/24/2007 11:42:40 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Our God-given rights, and those of our posterity, are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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29 posted on 11/24/2007 11:44:49 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Our God-given rights, and those of our posterity, are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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30 posted on 11/24/2007 11:45:51 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Our God-given rights, and those of our posterity, are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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31 posted on 11/24/2007 11:47:22 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Our God-given rights, and those of our posterity, are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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those piles of microscopic cells


32 posted on 11/24/2007 11:50:56 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Our God-given rights, and those of our posterity, are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: LilAngel
Good night.


33 posted on 11/24/2007 11:53:54 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Our God-given rights, and those of our posterity, are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Drew68
I would think that most Americans would agree that there are no piles of dead bodies. This statement is pure hyperbole and is designed to appeal to emotion. Face it, most Americans don't view abortion as cold-blooded murder. Poll after poll after poll will attest to this. As such, they're not seeing any piles of dead bodies.

Look at this picture, then come back and defend this post. If you've got the guts.

34 posted on 11/25/2007 12:00:44 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Our God-given rights, and those of our posterity, are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: EternalVigilance
A new strategy is called for; and to my mind, those who resist talking about it are the root cause of the problem. To them I would say: Get off the fence and join the battle to end the murder of America's future. The troops are moving out — with you, or without you.

This article way great... right up to the point that her brain short-circuited.

Which is it? Talk about it, or just hurry up and do something?

I actually respect her intolerance for pomposity, but talking-and-being-heard also requires... L I S T E N I N G.

She sounds like she got pissed-off that no one was listening to her, and is now standing up and telling everyone else to "shut up." (Pot calling kettle and all that.)

Sometimes you have to listen to people whose ideas don't perfectly mesh.

35 posted on 11/25/2007 12:09:20 AM PST by delacoert
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“While we wait, could you post that picture of the baby holding the doctor’s finger during surgery? I haven’t seen it lately, and it’s hard for me to post photos. I love that photo.”

I don’t know how to post photos but here is an original thread with that picture and later ones.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1012548/posts


36 posted on 11/25/2007 12:13:19 AM PST by upsdriver
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Those are all such wonderful pictures. I’ll have sweet dreams after viewing them.

Upsdriver, I think that’s a little bit more detailed than previous accounts I’ve read about the setting for that photo.

Thanks to you both for the pleasant baby pictures. Or would that be microscopic cell pictures?


37 posted on 11/25/2007 12:49:06 AM PST by LilAngel (FReeping on a cell phone is like making Christmas dinner in an Easy Bake Oven)
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To: LilAngel

:) you’re welcome. It was a happy story, that’s why I bookmarked it. Just for an occasion such as this.


38 posted on 11/25/2007 12:53:36 AM PST by upsdriver
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Going back to sleep now, and taking that sweet story with me. Thanks again, and God bless you.


39 posted on 11/25/2007 1:00:44 AM PST by LilAngel (FReeping on a cell phone is like making Christmas dinner in an Easy Bake Oven)
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To: EternalVigilance; Drew68
I believe the main reason Judie Brown's approach is not the one chosen by the mainstream pro-life movement is that such an approach creates many uncomfortable problems that disturb most pro-lifers. If the pro-life movement were to adopt a strategy of "ban it all right now, it's child murder," it would cause many to ask some very necessary and logical questions about how a total abortion ban would be enforced. Will women seeking illegal abortions be prosecuted? If not, how can this policy be defended if abortion is the murder of a child and a woman has deliberately sought to procure it?

Brown and others of her persuasion talk about "ending abortion." How would law enforcement go about doing this without causing insufferable violations of personal privacy and dignity? Will there be a "War on Abortion," and what exactly would this entail? What will be done with women who use one of the many methods of self-abortion (no doctor to prosecute)? Will miscarriages be investigated by the police if someone tips them off that the woman was considering an abortion? How will the rights of willingly pregnant women be impacted by this law -- will there be certain activities they will be forbidden from engaging in due to danger to the fetus? Certain foods and beverages they will be prohibited from consuming? What happens to in-vitro fertilization clinics and private sector medical research using human embryos?

There will also be the issue of what to do about the availability of abortion in neighboring countries. Will women who travel to Canada or the Caribbean for their abortions be prosecuted or impeded in any serious way? If not, then abortion will surely never be "ended," it will simply move to other locales, since there will be nothing at all stopping most American women from getting legal abortions elsewhere, as this is a very affluent and mobile populace.

In short, if the pro-life movement were to do as Mrs. Brown wants, it would have to explain how we would handle the very real and potentially imminent practical implications of banning all abortion as murder and employing our law enforcement agencies in the mission of "ending abortion." This is an explanation it clearly does not wish to give. Instead, the movement, wisely, pursues a strategy of incremental regulation and gradual cultural change which may or may not lead to fewer abortions due to (they would hope) an increasingly small number of women who consider it an acceptable way of dealing with an unwanted pregnancy. This is the best they can do and they know it.

40 posted on 11/25/2007 2:53:19 AM PST by BearArms (Arm yourself because no one else here will save you)
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