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‘Thompson vs. Giuliani - Can the Tortoise Conquer the Hare Again?’
PC Free News ^ | Nov. 24, 2007 | JB Williams

Posted on 11/24/2007 8:24:33 AM PST by jdm

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1 posted on 11/24/2007 8:24:34 AM PST by jdm
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Can the tortoise conquer the hare again?

Uhh... Yup!

2 posted on 11/24/2007 8:27:49 AM PST by Mygirlsmom (Bill and Hill are perfectly clear on the meaning of "is" as long as it's used in the word SOCIALIST)
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Sure, if the Hare is wearing high heels.


3 posted on 11/24/2007 8:31:40 AM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
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To: jdm

Great article.

My only quibble: I’d refer to it as “the running of the government—or even of the ‘executive branch of the government’—of our country”, not the “running of our country”.


4 posted on 11/24/2007 8:31:56 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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5 posted on 11/24/2007 8:36:15 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: jdm; Spiff
This article would have been spot on 2 months ago, now I am unsure. Two months ago I would have bet my last dollar that the nomination would come down to Fred vs Rudy, now I am almost to the point of betting that last dollar to Mitt vs Rudy.

The dynamics of this election are so different than any other that I can remember. The compression of the Primary calendar MUST be taken into effect, and the trends cannot be ignored.

Fred had September, October and the beginning of November to capitalize, yet he failed to do so. In fact, since his official announcement, not one poll, national or State, shows an increase. (I am pinging Spiff, because his charts show this fact without doubt). Now that those very important three months have past, and Fred failed to increase, we are entering the Holiday season. People will not be paying attention like they were. They have other priorities.

In just 1 1/2 months, we have the first primaries. The first two, Iowa and New Hampshire show Romney in the lead, Michigan with Rudy in 1st, Romney second, and Fred in a distant third. South Carolina is next (Fred's first "strong" State) yet even on the best current poll Fred is only tied for first, and in the averages on RealclearPolitics his is in third behind Romney and Rudy again.

I just do not see, barring a new campaign surge that better start soon, that it can be anybody except Rudy vs Romney.

The problem with the Tortoise vs the Hare, is that in the story, the Tortoise maintained a STEADY pace, he didn't fall behind, and then try to sprint to the end.

6 posted on 11/24/2007 8:47:55 AM PST by codercpc
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Terrific piece by J.B. Williams. I think Rudy was pushed to run by the party because they thought he was the only one with name recognition high enough to possibly beat Hillary Clinton. In a race between Hillary and Fred, I can’t see Hillary coming out ahead. Fred’s ideas are actually his own and not party-generated like Hillary’s.


7 posted on 11/24/2007 8:48:07 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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Is the author the limp a$$ Juan “Mr. Negative” Williams og NPR and talking head fame???
8 posted on 11/24/2007 8:49:15 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Illegal Immigration, a Clear and Present Danger.)
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9 posted on 11/24/2007 8:52:13 AM PST by Politicalmom (Of the potential GOP front runners, FT has one of the better records on immigration.- NumbersUSA)
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“Is the author the limp a$$ Juan “Mr. Negative” Williams og NPR and talking head fame???”

No.


10 posted on 11/24/2007 8:55:08 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: jdm
In my opinion, the only reason Thompson wound up behind the curve for several weeks is because of the insane changes in the primary/caucus schedule which pushed crisis dates ahead of what had been originally anticipated. [We really need to do something about this, but that's another topic] Still, I think the campaign is now rolling out the needed ads and adjusting their schedule to compensate and we are seeing results in the polling.

Slow and steady wins the race. Go Fred!

11 posted on 11/24/2007 9:05:44 AM PST by Route66 (America's Main Street - - - President Fred D. Thompson /"The Constitution means what is says.")
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I just do not see, barring a new campaign surge that better start soon, that it can be anybody except Rudy vs Romney.
That would be a correct assessment if things stayed static. But as the 'come to Jesus' moment approaches and some states actually vote things will change. Some candidates will drop out, momentum can change, funds will dry up for some, endorsements may change things a bit, etc. etc. Also with 21 or so states, some of which have large delegate blocks, voting on one day Super Tuesday, Feb. 5, things can get very fluid at that time.

39 Days and counting until the process begin in earnest....

12 posted on 11/24/2007 9:09:42 AM PST by deport (>>>--Iowa Caucuses .. 39 days and counting--<<< [ Meanwhile:-- Cue Spooky Music--])
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To: jdm

Trust Starr.


13 posted on 11/24/2007 9:11:08 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: deport
That would be a correct assessment if things stayed static.

That was the point I was trying (obviously badly HA HA) to make. Because of the compression of the Primaries, and the fact that we are now entering the Holiday Season, I am thinking that Fred failed to capitalize when he should have. Sept - Nov should have been those months. But I wonder how much people will be paying attention now.

I could be wrong, but the first caucus is January 3rd. That is only 2 days after the "end" of the Holiday Season. Can he capitalize now? Only time will tell, but I think it may be too late.

If the polls stay as they are (which is the main question) Mitt will have the momentum, with Rudy following. Fred may not even be the story. Unless he actually wins Iowa, the story will be Mitt (or maybe Huckabee).

14 posted on 11/24/2007 9:16:40 AM PST by codercpc
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He’s got a little more than a month to close the gap.


15 posted on 11/24/2007 9:17:17 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: jdm
Good article.

NO liberals, NO rinos, NO wafflers, NO career politicians, NO career bureaucrats.

Go Fred go!

16 posted on 11/24/2007 9:24:07 AM PST by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: codercpc

This article is spot on TODAY. JB’s piece is the best description of Fred’s campaign. As for the tortoise being steady and Fred falling behind. You are obviously not listening and not observing. It is clear that Fred’s failure is wishful thinking by the media and left types. Mitt and Rudy are like car salesmen. All they do is sell themselves. Fred presents ideas — his ideas — for the welfare of our beloved country. He doesn’t pander. If he doesn’t know, he’ll say so and find the answer for the next time the question is asked. He is a true person and true leader — the one America and the world needs.

Wake up America! Fred Dalton Thompson is the only one who has the welfare of America in mind.


17 posted on 11/24/2007 9:27:42 AM PST by farahdiba
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To: deport
Another question I just thought of is, can Fred increase at this point without a total implosion of another candidate?

One of the favorite comparisons of this election is that Kerry was so far behind Dean at this point in 2004, yet he "came out of no where" to beat him in Iowa. Did Kerry become the favorite because of something he did, or because Dean just melted down?

Can Fred do this, and who would he benefit from the most?

Because we have one person in first place (nationally) ,and four others virtually tied for second, why would Fred be the Tortoise in this scenario vs any of the others.

I am now going to say something that will rightfully get me flamed, but here it goes....

I think many here made a huge mistake in thinking that Fred could be the "compromise" candidate. I really think that the "compromise candidate" should have been John McCain. With every single one of the front runners there is something that their backers must be able to overlook. Yet we see in poll after poll that when it comes to the general election, John McCain has the best chance to beat the Beast. If we are willing to overlook flaws in some candidates, why can't we do the same for a true patriot? I am not saying that even I am going to vote for McCain in the primary, but if he could have brought together all of the conservatives, I would gladly endorse him. I personally just don't see a huge difference between him and Fred, yet I just like John McCain better, and according to the head to head polls, so does the rest of America.

18 posted on 11/24/2007 9:30:28 AM PST by codercpc
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I dont’ think Fred will be a factor in Iowa or NH. Romney has staked his campaign on winning the early states and carrying that over into Super Tuesday. Giuliani is centering on FL and winning the large states on Super Tuesday which is Feb 5, two days after the Super Bowl. Giuliani’s plan is to shut down Romney at that point and go on to the win. How Fred can actually become viable becomes the real question. In any case one of the top three [Giuliani, Romney, Thompson] basically has to fade as the voting progresses.

If Romney is shut down or stymied somewhat by Huckabee then that can bring Thompson into the mix.... This is a strange cycle this time around. Yes the Holidays are just before the voting begins but that is only for Iowa, Wyoming and NH , Jan. 3, 5, and 8. After that we have MI on the 15, SC/Nevada on the 19th and FL on the 29th and then Super Tuesday the 5th of Feb.


19 posted on 11/24/2007 9:40:41 AM PST by deport (>>>--Iowa Caucuses .. 39 days and counting--<<< [ Meanwhile:-- Cue Spooky Music--])
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I understand your point about McCain and the problem is that he did not become the darling of the Dems for nothing. He worked against us so many times, it got old. While the middle may love him, the base does not and we need a candidate that can rally the base as well as draw from the middle in the general election.

I honestly think Fred is the ONLY GOP candidate that can successfully do this and that his chances against Hillary are the best. I would not let these early one on one polls mean to much. The fact that McCain recently polled well does not mean that he is the one who is best pitted against her.

20 posted on 11/24/2007 9:42:02 AM PST by Route66 (America's Main Street - - - President Fred D. Thompson /"The Constitution means what is says.")
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