Posted on 11/22/2007 11:38:31 PM PST by Kurt Evans
The Governor opposes and will never allow amnesty. He passionately rejected the amnesty bill that President Bush and Sen. McCain tried to ram through Congress this summer after secret meetings of an under-the-radar cabal of amnesty-loving senators.
The Governor opposed the misnamed DREAM Act, which was a nightmare because it would have put us on the slippery slope to amnesty for all. Because once we open that door even a crack, we’ll never get it closed again.
As for the hot-button issue of illegal immigration, of paramount concern to Iowa Republicans, Huckabee's opponents have pointed out that as governor he supported free prenatal care for pregnant illegal immigrants as well as scholarships for the children of illegal immigrants, if academically eligible...
How would he explain those views to voters angry about illegal immigrants?
"If your government at the federal government is so incompetent that it fails to secure the border, you don't then grind your heel into the face of a 6-year-old child over it. That's not what this country does. We're a better country than that. Now, if that causes people to say, 'Well, I'm not going to vote for him,' fine. There are plenty of candidates out there who I guess would grind their heel in the face of a 6-year-old child. Not me."
With Clinton, it was the definition of is.
With Huckabee, it is the definition of amnesty and his definition is no different than the rejected definition President Bush holds.
Breaking the law should not result in a reward but in restitution or at least an attempt at righting the wrong should be the result. I know they won’t be able to pay back all the income that workers who are citizens have lost, but they can return to their own countries and take their innocent children with them. Whatever education they have already obtained from here will be of benefit to them there and the money that would have been spent on them here can go to the education of American citizens or for the reduction of taxes for the American taxpayer.
Receiving whatever their home country offers children should not be considered punishment since all children in that country will receive the same thing. I don’t see why what that country does for its children should be considered punishment.
For the same reason, he is the type of do gooder lib who would be in favor of raising cigarette taxes $30/pack or fast food taxes of $1 per patty or a massive national liquor tax in order to pay for a super Schip universal healthcare program for all chilrun including the chilrun of illegals.
It’s for the greater good after all. Chilruns get healthcare and the sheeple will be coerced to quit smoking, eat right and not drink.
“For the same reason, he is the type of do gooder lib who would be in favor of raising cigarette taxes $30/pack or fast food taxes of $1 per patty or a massive national liquor tax in order to pay for a super Schip universal healthcare program for all chilrun including the chilrun of illegals.”
I’m gonna tax yo butt fo de common good”
I know didly about Huckabee except where he stands on moral issues, and I’m not currently his supporter - but I’m not a ditractor either.
However, I know you are rabidly a Thompson supporter. It looks like, IMO, that your real beef with Huckabee is that he is pulling support from Thompson because Huckabee is a down the line pro-lifer and anti-homosexual agenda evangelical, and it resonates with that group. While Thompson’s federalism on these issues does not set well with most evangelicals. The NRTL edorsement hasn’t had much effect on Fred’s polling either with the evangelical base. BTW - Most folks keep calling NRTL the biggest Pro-Life group, but what they don’t realize is it is not tied to evangelicals - it is more a Roman Catholic appealing group.
I don’t know if Thompson’s federalism is the right thing for all situations like abortion and the homosexual agenda. I do find many of the things Thompson says to be compeling and I think he is probably the most electable of conservative republicans.
However, let Thompson trash his opponents, the rest of you doing so is growing extremely tiresome. The plain truth is I don’t trust your spin because you are so enamoured with Senator Thompson that you can see nothing else.
PS - I’m starting to think that many to most that keep twisting Huckabee’s words on immigration are indeed racist and bigots.
“The question I would like you to answer, if you could, is why are Mr. Huckabee and so many of his supporters trying pretend he is anti illegal immigration when it is clear that he is so pro amnesty that he even uses his religious beliefs to justify his way of thinking?”
I not a Huckabee supporter per se, but I would speculate they are tired of the hyperbole and spin on what he has said and done. Also, I personally and sick to death of folks denigrating President Bush. I don’t know if the president is right or wrong, but many in the GOP have been disgusting in their attacks.
It’s a shame all the folks over at GodTube.com seemed to have been fooled by this sleazy huckster who poses as a man of God. You would think one Bible-quoting shyster from Hope, AR was enough for them.
No, it’s not a conversion, simply a ruse. Try to find some record of this guy supporting Reagan in 76 or 80. It’s to be found right there along with his military record. It’s in the same box along with Rudy, Mitt and Fred’s stuff.
Listen to the last few sentences:Huckabee wants to get the illegals to pay a fine and make a choice of deportation or seeking a path to legal citizenship. - Tom
Is this the same “It’s not amnesty” that Bush and McCain were pushing this past Spring, or is it a new one?
“From the report it seemed as though Holt is a very good man... For Huckabee to go after him in that fashion is just sickening to me. Even if we as Christians disagree, you don’t attack one another like that.”
That may have been the most thoughtful reply in this thread. From a Christian perspective, I’m not sure the moral questions surrounding the children of illegal immigrants are as completely unambiguous as some on both sides of the discussion have suggested. Maybe the governor was having a bad day.
Unfortunately many conservatives are making similar mistakes by suggesting Governor Huckabee lacks integrity just because they disagree with him. He’s told us his position and explained why he holds it. Honest debate is one thing. Hyperbolic invective is another.
And in this case, buzz labels like “open borders” and “socialist” actually go beyond invective. They’re lies.
You sound like one of those frustrated “moderates” who get upset when people are too conservative or don’t try to be bipartisan or all get along.
It took me about 3 months on FR to figure out that there is no room for “compromise” or wishy washy “moderates” (and that’s a good thing)...It then took me another 6 months to figure out WHY...
If grass roots conservatives who vote, volunteer, donate and speak out on FR don’t do their part to force the candidates to tow a hard line and stick to conservative principles then NOBODY WILL.
You’ve been around here for 4 years. That’s the ultimate function of Free Republic IMHO. That’s why I support FR.
Welcome back to FR BTW.
Sir/madame if you can’t figure out on your own why a Presidential candidate had a miraculous “conversion” or change of heart at the same time they began to campaign for the GOP nomination, than nobody here can help you understand it.
“You sound like one of those frustrated “moderates” who get upset when people are too conservative or don’t try to be bipartisan or all get along.”
Nope, you nailed that wrong. I have my hot button issues also.
1. Abortion should end - period. In ALL fifty states.
2. I think homosexuality should be actively suppressed. Homosexuals have no place in the military or even in ANY government employment. They should never be “protected” by “hate crimes” legislation. However, I also think anti-adultery laws should be enacted. At a minimum, I believe that it should be a basis for serious negative reprocussions in civil cases (divorce). An unfaithful spouse should be roasted in a divorce proceeding. Anyone caught in adultery while serving in the military should lose security clearance.
3. I cannot abide “libertarians” that I believe are better called “libertines.” I think the GOP would be a much better party if these folks were gone.
Does that sound “moderate”?
Now, what I am mad about right now is the ridiculous implosion taking place in the GOP. I see strengths and weaknesses in three candidates (Thompson, Hunter, Huckabee) for the GOP nomination and it sickens me when their supporters engage in hyperbole to extremes on this forum (BTW - I don’t like Romney - but the excessive trashing he gets is getting old also). For awhile it was the Hunter folks...now it seems to be the Thompson ones.
If it didn’t sink in earlier today, quit playing forum cop.
Re: Post 96.
Well said. Thanks.
Yep
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