Another American Century or Another American Civil War?

globalpolitician.com ^ | 11/22/07 | fjordman

[westcoastwillieg]

Americans tend to be skeptical of any criticism of their country coming from Europeans, which understandable given the amount of anti-Americanism spewing out of the European press these days. However, there is some truth in the old maxim that “clarity is gained from a distance.” Just as Americans may sometimes see more clearly than Europeans how Muslim immigration is destroying their continent, perhaps it is possible for a European to notice some developments in the USA, too.

The following account is written by a European who wishes your country well, partly because I like it and partly because I, unlike too many of my countrymen, understand that the USA is still the best insurance we have for a civilized world order. It worries me all the more to see that many of the same negative trends that are threatening to destroy Europe are also present in the US.

In 2006, the total immigrant population of the United States stood at 33 million, or 11% of the entire population, which, according to The Center for Immigration Studies, was significantly higher than at any time in history. With 10.3 million illegals there now, with at least 800,000 more entering every year, in twenty years there will be 26.3 million illegals, plus any children they may have. The National Research Council has estimated that the net fiscal cost of immigration ranges from $11 billion to $22 billion per year. California has estimated that the net cost to the state of providing government services to illegal immigrants approached $3 billion during a single fiscal year. This massive migration has become so ingrained in Mexico that people name their babies Johnny and Leslie, certain that their kids’ future lies in the United States. “Mexico’s economy, society and political system are built around the assumption...

[westcoastwillieg]

We have subversives in elected office and the State Department who are trying to cram as many people as they can into the U.S. Many of our large cities are already suffering from overpopulation.

The U.S. passed the 300 million mark in 2000 and some demographers say our population will almost double by 2050 and, if immigration is not curtailed, exceed ONE BILLION before 2100.

If you think we have problems now, just wait a few years until the energy shortfall hits and our standard of living drops off the cliff.

The last thing we need is more legal or illegal immigrants. If the American people don’t rise up and take action to get rid of the subversives who are truing to destabilize our country, the future is bleak.

[cowboyway]

If the American people don’t rise up and take action to get rid of the subversives who are truing to destabilize our country, the future is bleak.

American's will not rise up until we're doing the jobs that the illegals won't do because they have finally replaced us in our jobs..............and then it will be too late.

[RightWhale]

The Founding Fathers thought that America would one day have a population of one billion. This was fine with them, although they also thought it would take several centuries.

[muawiyah]

Well, it's getting to be nearly "several centuries".

I don't necessarily agree with the writer's position but it's pretty clear to everyone that Mexicans intend to BECOME Americans whether we want them or not, and whether or not they even move into our country.

I doubt there's ever been another people more anxious to change their nature to that of their more powerful neighbor since the Germans invaded and seized the Roman Empire to save it from destruction. Ravenna was made the capital of the western Empire at the time.

Foreigners generally cannot differentiate between Mexicans and Americans in movies.

[heywoodubuzzoff]

I think the 2nd Civil War will start when states get fed up with sending tax money to the Federal government and getting nothing back because they failed some quirky rule in the laws. Facing ruin, the states stop sending smonies to the fed and the areas with high cost social programs realize they can not pay for them. The big liberal areas demand money and then get their asses handed to them. Then we will have the US, New York LTD, The New England Association, and the People & Dolphin Consortium of San Francisco.

[wolfcreek]

I suspect they thought the billion would be mostly Americans not, a bunch of 3rd world illiterates costing the rest of us.

[RightWhale]

They would have thought in terms appropriate to their times rather than polemics of 2007.

[Mopp4]

the USA is still the best insurance we have for a civilized world order

This would make a great bumper sticker or T-shirt !

[tdewey10]

net costs? I’d like to see that accounting.

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As I repeat everytime I enter one of these threads — People are Power.

The only way we are going to make sure the 22nd Century isn’t the Chinese Century is if we have people on our side.

Now I’m not advocating rampant illegal immigration — but we do need much more legal immigration.

I repeat. People are power.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

CWII heads-up...

[RightWhale]

True. It was quieter before, though.

[Bender2]

If the Democrat Traitors get control with Her Ankleship as Prez, it may take:

1) What the Founding Father’s wrote the 2nd Amendment for, a well armed citizenry to keep America free!

2) Thomas Jefferson's quote that "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants" may become a reality.

Hillary Clinton and her Democratic cohorts certainly qualify as the latter!

[AnotherUnixGeek]

perhaps it is possible for a European to notice some developments in the USA, too.

Possible, but rare. Europeans love to deride American parochialism and lack of curiosity about the rest of the world, but their own knowledge of the US usually consists of ridiculous caricatures and some shallow familiarity with American TV dramas.

It's probably true that Americans don't return the obsessive interest Europeans lavish on the US, but in terms of what each side actually knows about the other, call it a draw.

[Travis McGee]

CW2 Ping.

"Maybe in the future, the border of Latin America will be moved northwards to Vancouver and Montreal, where it will merge with the Islamic Republic of al-Canadistan. A worse scenario is that the USA will physically fall apart. As the Southwest de facto becomes a part of Greater Mexico, as the white majority diminishes and maybe disappears and Americans are told to “celebrate diversity,” they may wake up some day and discover that the country has become so “diverse” that they hardly have anything in common anymore. Such a situation could lead to peaceful separation, but also to civil war."

[WilliamofCarmichael]

Samuel P. Huntington thinks that Americans should “recommit themselves to the Anglo-Protestant culture, traditions, and values that for three and a half centuries have been embraced by Americans of all races, ethnicities, and religions and that have been the source of their liberty, unity, power, prosperity, and moral leadership as a force for good in the world.”

Every two-hundred-year-old republic is entitled to at least one patriot-dictator.

When it's time.

(Anyone got a watch?)

[Oklahoma]

We need to trade New England, New York City, Detroit, Chicago, Los Angeles, and San Fransisco for the western provinces of Canada.

[jwh_Denver]

“People are power.”

The right people can be powerful.

[politician]

Depends on the people... I am in favor of immigration, but the US must choose its immigrants to exclude:

- Criminals
- Diseased people (especially AIDS and similar infectious diseases)
- Illiterates: it was one thing to be illiterate in the 19th century, that was normal. Today, being illiterate means you can’t make money and will be a drain on society via either welfare or prison.

The United States should open its borders to anyone with a Ph.D. from a legitimate university, as well as Doctors (lower the cost of health care through competition), those with Master’s Degrees in science and engineering, and all those with a college or graduate degree in something we need.

The last thing this country needs is a bunch of illiterates. If having lots of illiterate was good for the economy, how come Third World countries are poor?

[Regulator]

Door Number 2

[CodeToad]

I’ve talked to all kinds and types of people. A common concern is that “somthing” seems to be brewing and trouble is ahead.