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To: USMCVet
So when did all cops become absolutely right in everything they do - and all of the rest of us became "perps"?

That mouthy little punk became a 'perp' when the trooper placed him under arrest. It's nuance......you might not get it.

My favorite part is where he brags about making this kid "ride the Taser" and says "It hurts, doesn't it?"

Answer the question that tioga refuses to answer: What do you think the trooper should have done when the perp turned his back on him, after the trooper told him that he was under arrest, ignored his command to halt, and began walking back to his car?

The offense was maybe going faster than the suddenly modified speed limit

It's the responsibility of every driver to be aware of and obey all road signage and to be aware of changing road conditions. This is not a third world country. We live in a rule based society here in the USA.

It's not like our cop is out solving armed robberies or murders or working the tough inner city beat. He's just a twit with a nicely fitted uniform,

That's a very interesting observation. My 'twit' deputy sheriff friend (female) pulled over a nice young man and his pregnant wife one night because of a driving violation. This nice young citizen became erratic and verbally abusive (just like our little perp friend in the video) and when my 'twit' friend tried to cuff him, he began fighting. In a matter of a second or two the nice citizen escaped my 'twit' friends grasp and ran. She pulled her weapon, a Glock 40, and requested the citizen to halt but he made it to cover and kept running. She didn't fire. A canine unit was in the area and responded to her radio call. The dog found the citizen and the citizen tried to fight the dog. Not a very smart idea on the citizens part. The dog won and the citizen was arrested (he was actually screaming for help). The car was searched and my 'twit' friend found weapons and meth. Citizen's nice pregnant wife was arrested, also.

How do I know this? I was riding with her that night. I rode with her the next night also when we went to the county lockup and served both he and his pregnant wife with multiple counts. BTW, that dog really tore his ass up. He could barely walk. And both me and my 'twit' friend laughed about it when we got back outside.

Oh, almost forgot! My 'twit' friend didn't solve an armed robbery or murder that night. And we live in a small county in the hills; not exactly a 'tough' inner city beat. But she did get a meth head and supplier off the streets.

490 posted on 11/22/2007 11:23:54 AM PST by cowboyway (My heroes have always been Cowboys)
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To: cowboyway

<< But she did get a meth head and supplier off the streets.>>

You’re assuming that you’re not addressing a libertarian.

(c;


497 posted on 11/22/2007 12:06:10 PM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: cowboyway
"That mouthy little punk became a 'perp' when the trooper placed him under arrest. It's nuance......you might not get it."

That "mouthy little punk" was an American citizen with exactly the same rights and worth as you. He was not disrespectful, he only questioned the reason for the stop and asked what he was being charged with. If you think that every American that asks questions is a "punk" you need sedation/a different line of work that doesn't involve working with people.

"It's the responsibility of every driver to be aware of and obey all road signage and to be aware of changing road conditions. This is not a third world country. We live in a rule based society here in the USA."

No, we don't live in a rule-based society - we supposedly live in a democracy, a shining light for others to follow. The Nazis had a rule-based society and look where it got them and the world.

I really enjoyed your story about your local bust of some small-timers and how much fun it was for all of you to sic a dog on them. Enforcing the law is meant to be work, even heroic work but it shouldn't include sadistic pleasure when your "perp" gets badly bitten or "rides the Taser". Enjoying that stuff moves back to the column marked "Third Reich".

Now for one of my fun stories; I was in L.A. right after I got back from Vietnam, just returned from almost a year recovering from gunshot wounds. I'm in my '65 Mustang, on Highway 5 southbound near Burbank when an LAPD Highway Cruiser exits the freeway just behind me. I don't pay attention because I'm listening to the radio and he doesn't have his light on (that, and I knew that I hadn't done any bad driving and wasn't speeding). As I move on to the city street, he races past me and runs me off the road, up on to the curb. He jumps out, aims his shotgun at me and tells me to get out of the car and lay down on the road. I comply, but I'm slow because I have a full-length leg brace and it's hard to get out of the seat. He's yelling and that 12 gauge is pointing straight at my face. I'm scared so bad I'm shaking and I'm asking "why?". When I'm on the ground he tells me that I failed to pull over when he signaled me to pull over. I answer I didn't know - and he says he had his red light on. We both look at his car and his light is still on his hood in the stowed position and not on. He finally settled down and let me go but he didn't apologize and I got a moving violation for an "unsafe lane change" and I shook like a damn leaf all the way home.

Our police have a duty - a sacred duty - to respect all citizens and to protect them. When they are sworn to that office, it is not a license to kill or to enjoy sadistic torture. It's more than a catchy uniform and a badge , it's a high office of trust and if the law enforcement officers can't live with that, they need to get as far away from that profession of arms as they can.

506 posted on 11/22/2007 5:01:27 PM PST by USMCVet
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To: cowboyway
Two of your comments from post #490:

That mouthy little punk became a 'perp' when the trooper placed him under arrest. It's nuance......you might not get it.

Answer the question that tioga refuses to answer: What do you think the trooper should have done when the perp turned his back on him, after the trooper told him that he was under arrest, ignored his command to halt, and began walking back to his car?

This is just more dishonesty about what is actually on the tape. The officer NEVER informed the driver that he was under arrest prior to using the taser on him. That little bit of information might have been helpful in controlling the situation. Also, the officer never used the words "Halt" or "Stop" or "Stand still" or even a simple warning like "If you move I'm going to taser you." So, this question that you keep asking as if it is such an intelligent question that the answer to it will solve this entire debate is predicated on a FALSE PREMISE. If you'd be honest about what the tape actually shows instead of sticking your head in the sand, you'd see that the officer went over the line.

509 posted on 11/22/2007 6:13:20 PM PST by RightFighter
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