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Something To Give Thanks For - Good news from Iraq [Hitchens]
SLATE ^ | Monday, Nov. 19, 2007, at 10:47 AM ET | Christopher Hitchens

Posted on 11/19/2007 1:15:16 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

A few weeks ago, in Britain's Prospect magazine, the paper's foreign editor, Bartle Bull, published a bold essay saying that the high tide of violence in Iraq was essentially behind us and that the ebb had disclosed some interesting things. First, the Iraqi people as a whole had looked into the abyss of civil war and had drawn back from the brink. Second, the majority of Sunni Arabs had realized that their involvement with al-Qaida forces was not a patriotic "insurgency" but was instead a horrific mistake and had exposed their society to the most sadistic and degraded element in the entire Muslim world. Third, the Shiite militias had also come to appreciate that they had overplayed their hand. There remained, according to Bull, an appalling level of criminal and antisocial violence, but essentially Iraq was agreed on a rough new dispensation whereby ethnic and social compromise would determine events and where subversive outside interference would not be welcomed.

I read the article and admired its nerve, but I didn't really choose to believe it. It didn't appear to me that things had yet bottomed out, and it didn't seem believable that the essential sectarianism of the Maliki regime, illustrated so graphically by its crude execution of Saddam Hussein, could be explained away. Worst of all, the exodus of so many secular or qualified or educated Iraqis (perhaps as many as 2.5 million exiles living in Syria or Jordan or farther away) seemed to threaten a long period of social and cultural decline, a sort of Road Warrior situation in which only the parties of God would benefit.

Keeping all this in mind, it nonetheless does begin to look as if Iraqis may in fact have started to recover command over their own destiny,

(Excerpt) Read more at slate.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: christopherhitchens; goodnews; hitchens; iraq; iraqsurge; personalaccount; thanksgiving
and also as if America may have helped them to do so. The surge is only a part of this story.
1 posted on 11/19/2007 1:15:17 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Any minute now ... I’m waiting for the Dems to claim that ..

Oh yes Iraq is turning around but only because we threatened to remove the troops... Of course we never meant a word of it.. The troop withdraw threats were only done to entice the Iraqis to step up which oh golly Gee they have done..

Every Republican should be out in force screaming that if the Democrats had their way there would be NO troops in Iraq today and the country would have fallen to sectarian and Al-Qaida forces....

Period end of story.. Democrats continue to be on the wrong side of history.


2 posted on 11/19/2007 1:30:18 PM PST by tomnbeverly (The sour sounds of liberal whining is sure to scare away any chance of success.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; tomnbeverly
What worries me about the reaction of liberals and Democrats is not the skepticism, which is pardonable, but the dank and sinister impression they give that the worse the tidings, the better they would be pleased.

Great article...thanks for the pig

3 posted on 11/19/2007 1:33:52 PM PST by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
What worries me about the reaction of liberals and Democrats is not the skepticism, which is pardonable, but the dank and sinister impression they give that the worse the tidings, the better they would be pleased.

Even though Hitch is a drunken communist, he has always been fair when it comes to the war on terror, and he has pegged the demonRATs to a tee.

4 posted on 11/19/2007 1:40:34 PM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: tomnbeverly
"What worries me about the reaction of liberals and Democrats is not the skepticism, which is pardonable, but the dank and sinister impression they give that the worse the tidings, the better they would be pleased. The latter mentality isn't pardonable and ought not to be pardoned, either."

Excellent column! Unfortunately, Mr. Hitchens, that is not merely some "impression they give" that much/most of the left is rooting hard for disaster and defeat for America. They (a large proportion of people who call themselves liberals, progressives, brave [sic] men and women of the left, etc.) have proved over and over and over again in the past 4 years that they desire the defeat of the US in Iraq..... anything to weaken Bush/Cheney, evil capitalism, etc. I can not longer view any Democrats except Joe Lieberman and Zell Miller, et al with anything but contempt and disdain. They have tried their best to weaken and undermine the USA at war because they thought a world with a chastened, hesitant USA and a discredited Bush/Cheney administration would be far preferable (in their eyes) to a successful, triumphant America looking stronger than ever on the world stage.
5 posted on 11/19/2007 1:44:23 PM PST by Enchante (Democrat terror-fighting motto: "BLEAT - CHEAT - RETREAT - DEFEAT")
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To: tomnbeverly; BOBTHENAILER; SJackson
Democrats continue to be on the wrong side of history.

They have a long record....even back to the Civil War...

From this :

Secession and Civil War

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Democrats nominated McClellan and a platform which called for a truce and settlement with the South

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FR Thread:

Why Lincoln beat McClellan--By Nov 08 voters may well see Iraq as a reason to vote for Republicans
Posted by SJackson On News/Activism ^ 11/19/2007 5:17:13 AM PST · 22 replies

6 posted on 11/19/2007 1:51:13 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Enchante

Agreed.

I would question their patriotism, if I thought they had any.


7 posted on 11/19/2007 1:51:50 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: SandRat; MEG33; elhombrelibre; jveritas; FARS

ping


8 posted on 11/19/2007 2:03:54 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

He nailed the democrats in this article.


9 posted on 11/19/2007 2:06:46 PM PST by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Hitchens may not be a Christian but with this evidence, I take him on his word that he is not anti-Christian. It seems the majority of the British and Europeans are inflicted with Christianophobia, blinding their reasoning on most things political.


10 posted on 11/19/2007 2:09:42 PM PST by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: USS Alaska

Very well said.


11 posted on 11/19/2007 2:26:17 PM PST by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Great information...thanks for adding fuel to the fire!!!


12 posted on 11/19/2007 2:27:29 PM PST by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Since Mr. Hitchens is a self-proclaimed anti-theist, to whom would he give thanks if he were to do so?


13 posted on 11/19/2007 2:33:19 PM PST by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Hitchens is godless by his own admission.......who does he give thanks to ?


14 posted on 11/19/2007 2:37:51 PM PST by advertising guy (If computer skills named us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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To: tomnbeverly
I’m afraid that you’re right.

The precedence is the fall of the Berlin Wall & collapse of the Soviet Union. People of the same ilk as today's Iraq war opponents attacked Reagan relentlessly for his bold aggression against the Soviets. When the wall came down, they just claimed that it was going to happen anyhow. They say the same thing today.

15 posted on 11/19/2007 2:49:55 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

thanks, bfl


16 posted on 11/20/2007 8:12:50 PM PST by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

bump


17 posted on 11/20/2007 8:22:46 PM PST by VOA
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To: Enchante; elhombrelibre
I couldn't have better stated the position of Stalin's usefull idiots. Such a really frail, deceitful crowd they are at best.
And seditious and treasonous at worse.
18 posted on 11/21/2007 5:02:11 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Duncan Hunter for POTUS)
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