[Maneesh]

That is a bigger issue. A whole bunch of social programs are run based on the poverty line which I agree is bogus. However the impact of this program is still less freeloaders which is a good thing. Next we have to cut off health care to illegals and then make it a national market place for health insurance. Then the states can pick the cheapest bare bones plan that the poor get as freeloaders. We will have the poor subsidized by the govt so let’s lower the cost of that subsidy to the truly poor legal citizens and have all the rest of us pay for health care. If we can get it down to this, that will be huge victory but we will never have an idealistic situation but the poor have no govt program to help them.

[liberty or death]

You said,

“We will have the poor subsidized by the govt so let’s lower the cost of that subsidy to the truly poor legal citizens and have all the rest of us pay for health care. If we can get it down to this, that will be huge victory but we will never have an idealistic situation but the poor have no govt program to help them.”

I am self employed and I pay cash. My wifes last surgury was $14,000.

She showed me a few years back where we were under a certain poverty line. At that time I cleared 70,000. How in the hell is that poverty? I refused to enter the local Chips for our 5 kids because I refuse to allow socialism to creap into my life.

You obviously are a noble person and one who believes that we can win by slowing down socialism. I don’t. We must defeat it and crush it like a cockroach or we lose.