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To: EternalVigilance
If you put poison in a cup of wine "incrementally," the result is a cup of poison. If you put wine in a cup of deadly poison, even incrementally, you never end up with a cup of wine...it is and remains a cup of poison.

Is this really true, though? At some point in both examples the wine-to-poison ratio is the same (assuming a big enough cup). So, if the first cup isn't poison until x number of units has been added incrementally, then the second cup eventually becomes wine once you dilute the poison with a great enough volume of wine.

I don't mean to be pedantic. I do believe good people can be convinced to do wrong by increments more easily than evil people can be convinced to do right. But in the case of abortion, we're dealing with vast numbers of basically undecided people who may superficially buy into leftist arguments but don't really think about it that much. I believe these undecideds grow to embrace life by increments. I've seen this happen with a lot of people I know -- people who once were purely "pro-choice" see that babies as young as 21+ weeks can survive, and come to believe that abortion after that point is infanticide. Then they see their own babies' hearts beating on the sonogram at 7 weeks, or moving their arms and legs not too much later, and the line of what's acceptable moves back again. At some point many realize that all these lines -- seven weeks, fourteen weeks, 20 weeks -- are arbitrary. However, if you had hit them back before their 21 week realization with the fact that even embryos are babies, they would have outright rejected it. I believe the same thing happens with abortion law.

I'm not knocking you for your stance -- it's absolutely logically consistent. But I just can't see how we get there from here without convincing people state by state. What's the quickest path to protecting life on a federal level, in your view?

209 posted on 11/19/2007 8:29:43 PM PST by ellery (I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
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To: ellery

Fight the fight at every single level, with all our might.

Only elect candidates, at every level, who understand and who have proven that they will fight for the personhood of the unborn.

Don’t compromise the principle. Ever. Our rights to life and liberty come from God, not man, and are not alienable, or negotiable. This is the cornerstone principle of America, upon which the entire edifice stands or falls.

When you’re talking economic policy, or spending, or taxes, or regulation, or any number of other things, compromises can be made without jeopardizing the national soul.

Abortion is not like that.

There are no gray areas when it comes to life and death matters. Alive is alive, and dead is dead.

The “quickest path” is to have an entire movement, an entire party, who will not give one ounce of political support of any kind to any politician who won’t fight for the personhood of the unborn. Make the threat real, and the politicians will end the holocaust so fast it will make your head spin.


210 posted on 11/19/2007 8:41:40 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Our God-given rights, and those of our posterity, are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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