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"From Dreams To Debt" (Massive Mortgage/Real Estate Fraud Exposed In Southern California)
The Press-Enterprise ^ | Saturday, November 17, 2007 | LESLIE BERKMAN

Posted on 11/18/2007 6:22:45 AM PST by DogByte6RER

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To: DogByte6RER

I feel no remorse for those much wealthier than I.


21 posted on 11/18/2007 7:24:09 AM PST by Eye of Unk
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To: DogByte6RER

22 posted on 11/18/2007 7:32:55 AM PST by Loud Mime (The Democrats made people believe that govt. lawyers are victims, whatta country!)
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To: svcw

Best thing they can do now is just claim bankruptcy and move on. Hard lessons learned. (Biting and chewing, eggs and baskets, murphy’s law).


23 posted on 11/18/2007 7:33:59 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Eye of Unk

A wise man once said, “ Greed in Predictable” The older I get the more I realize this is true. The old saying “ If it is too good to be true it probably is” still rings true.The smart money men say it will probably be two years or more before we get all of the water wrung out of these fake loans, and houses start selling for what they are worth.


24 posted on 11/18/2007 7:38:18 AM PST by BooBoo1000 (Some times I wake up grumpy, other times I let her sleep/)
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To: DogByte6RER; Petronski; Toddsterpatriot

“Tsunami” alert.

I think last week it was “fire and brimstone.” Or locusts. Or frogs. Hard to keep up.


25 posted on 11/18/2007 7:56:45 AM PST by Larry Lucido (Hunter 2008)
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To: Nathan Zachary
I wonder what these people think when they see a get rich quick on real estate info-mercial now?

Well, when you consider the fact that folks are still signing up with Amway and filling their garages with crap they will never sell, it just shows P.T. Barnum was correct then and is correct now.

26 posted on 11/18/2007 7:59:04 AM PST by Larry Lucido (Hunter 2008)
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To: DogByte6RER
From the article:

Scott Grossman, a lawyer representing Stonewood and Hendrix Montecastro, said investors are responsible for the truthfulness of their mortgage applications and cannot dispose of that responsibility by saying they signed papers with blanks that were filled in by others.

"It is a principle in California law that you cannot accuse someone of defrauding you if you were a willing participant," Grossman said.

27 posted on 11/18/2007 8:03:16 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: DogByte6RER

Real estate bubbles are one of the worst things that can happen to a modern society, short of catastrophic natural events and total war.

Alan Greenspan encouraged this particular manifestation.

I have to read “Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds” this afternoon, as it will be overdue soon.


28 posted on 11/18/2007 8:04:07 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture ™)
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To: Larry Lucido
Panic!!
29 posted on 11/18/2007 8:04:37 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (What came first, the bad math or the goldbuggery?)
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To: svcw
"I live in the area, this is big and bad."

Not only from the standpoint of articially inflated values, but you can bet your bippy that the Riverside County Assessor's tax rolls have spiked!

30 posted on 11/18/2007 8:08:06 AM PST by fuzzthatwuz
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To: DogByte6RER; Calpernia; cbkaty; Nervous Tick; ex-Texan; RockinRight; NVDave; Neidermeyer; ...

Economy/Credit/Housing Issues ping list

If you want on or off this list let me know


31 posted on 11/18/2007 8:12:46 AM PST by Hydroshock ("The Constitution should be taken like mountain whiskey -- undiluted and untaxed." - Sam Ervin)
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To: NonValueAdded
The cornerstone was greed, pure and simple.

Yep. As one investor said, "I didn't feel comfortable about the lying" when documents grossly inflated her income. Instead of asking questions or backing out, she signed the docs anyway. Many signed docs w/blank areas or lied about living in the newly purchased home in order to get a mortgage easier. 'The cornerstone was greed' is absolutely correct.

I can muster up a bit of sympathy for those who were led on by their church, but not much. Just because someone says they're a Christian doesn't make them so. Obviously illegal practices such as lying about income should have made these people think twice.

32 posted on 11/18/2007 8:18:30 AM PST by radiohead (Dissolution of the IRS as we know it - Fred Thompson. Stop...You had me at "dissolution.")
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The script/talking points used by the perps to con their targets:

http://www.pe.com/reports/2007/wealth/Script.pdf


33 posted on 11/18/2007 8:20:22 AM PST by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER

I like a person who can find the siler lining in the clouds.

Try this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ_qK4g6ntM


34 posted on 11/18/2007 8:22:31 AM PST by Pining_4_TX
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Website set up by the investors/plaintiffs/victms:

http://www.coreclient.110mb.com


35 posted on 11/18/2007 8:22:54 AM PST by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER

There have been similar schemes in other areas and they’ve happened before.

They run-up prices higher than they should have been and it always involves some company that promises to make payments for them.

Aside from the larger-scale ramifications, it gives legitimate real estate investors a bad name.


36 posted on 11/18/2007 8:24:17 AM PST by RockinRight (Just because you're pro-life and talk about God a lot doesn't mean you're a conservative.)
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To: radiohead

Again what this effectively does is hurt legitimate homeowners and investors, by making financing more difficult for them as destroying the values of their homes (because the fall in value is probably greater and ends up lower than it would have because of the overinflation in the first place) as well as give legitimate investors a bad name with the general public.


37 posted on 11/18/2007 8:29:56 AM PST by RockinRight (Just because you're pro-life and talk about God a lot doesn't mean you're a conservative.)
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To: Hydroshock
"There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as a result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved."

~~Ludwig von Mises

38 posted on 11/18/2007 8:56:10 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: RockinRight

Yes, the article calls them “investors” but I hope the DA calls them co-conspirators.


39 posted on 11/18/2007 9:01:37 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: Pining_4_TX

That was really funny! Thanks for the humor break.


40 posted on 11/18/2007 9:04:55 AM PST by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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