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Superbug: What makes one bacterium so deadly
Science News ^ | Week of Nov. 17, 2007 | Sarah C. Williams

Posted on 11/17/2007 4:12:41 PM PST by neverdem

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To: Lijahsbubbe
I will be seeing my dr tomorrow if I still feel as sick as I did last night. I have to see him this week anyway. I got a whole lecture on bleaching everything & he was very serious about me staying away from my family. His thing with the paper towels is because I have an 8 yr old daughter & grandchildren. He says paper towels are great in the bathroom because you toss them out & don’t spread germs that way. I even learned the proper way to wash my hands, I have been doing it wrong all these years. You need to get quite a bit of soap foam going & rub your hands together & say the ABC’s then rinse with warm water. I just washed them with soap & hot water. Since I lost my mother to MRSA I was really scared but I learned quite a bit about it now & this house is very clean. I still can’t do too much but we are managing. Getting sick on top of the staph was just too much for me. Thanks for your advice, Pandy.
41 posted on 11/18/2007 12:42:19 PM PST by pandoraou812 ( Its NOT for the good of the children! Its BS along with bending over for Muslim's demands)
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To: humblegunner

Is that what happened to you? You went to a Kenny Chesney concert and then became deathly ill?


42 posted on 11/18/2007 1:24:02 PM PST by ValerieTexas
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To: ValerieTexas
You went to a Kenny Chesney concert and then became deathly ill?

I just drove past one and became illiterate and passionate for siblings.

It's bad stuff, worse than crack.

Country "music" kills. ;-)

43 posted on 11/18/2007 2:18:25 PM PST by humblegunner (My KungFu is ten times power.©)
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To: pandoraou812; SortaBichy
Thanks...we're feeling very comforted knowing that he's in that "better place", and will celebrate Thanksgiving accordingly.

Dad was a man of great appetite and dined with the proverbial gusto - so we know it irked his guts to have to undergo spoonfeeding and "thickened liquids"** for his last few weeks.

**Aspirational pneumonia, probably caused by his Parkinson's....ingested entirely too much water into the lungs.

44 posted on 11/18/2007 5:08:36 PM PST by ErnBatavia (...forward this to your 10 very best friends....)
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To: metmom; neverdem
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I plan to get some from Home Depot & use it. Thankfully I feel much better then I did. I spent almost all of Sunday in bed & maybe thats what I needed. Thank you for all of your help. ~Pandy~

45 posted on 11/19/2007 4:47:43 AM PST by pandoraou812 ( Its NOT for the good of the children! Its BS along with bending over for Muslim's demands)
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To: pandoraou812
IIRC, Levaquin is a calcium scavenger, which is why they warn you away from antacids, etc, within an hour or two of taking it.

THis may not be the problem, but if you are low on calcium, that can cause cardiac arrythmias, among other things. If your pulse is weak or irregular, get to a doctor, please.

46 posted on 11/19/2007 4:58:36 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Popocatapetl
"I had an aunt who drove the doctors to distraction with persistent infections after hip replacement. It was finally tracked down to a low level dental infection, and one less tooth later, her hip finally healed."

Now see, this is why I've always protested the fact that medical insurance is always separate from dental insurance. Why? It's been proven that dental problems can negatively affect the entire body. The mouth is part of the body. Oral health is just AS important. Other than dentists being able to charge more for dental treatment, I just can't see any logical reason for this. Dental should automatically be part of or included in medical insurance. And yet, it's always separate and more expensive. I could understand it if the procedure was merely cosmetic. Any cosmetic procedure should be more costly. But regular health issues dealing with teeth and gums? It should be considered the same as any OTHER part of the body.

47 posted on 11/19/2007 5:16:23 AM PST by XenaLee
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To: Smokin' Joe
Good morning, I could be low on calcium, I never thought of that, I take calcium pills but never was a milk drinker. I've been off the Levaquin for about a week now. Then I got my daughter's Upper respiratory infection. Those were the medicines that made me so ill. The Zotex Lax made me dizzy & drowsy. The clarithromycin I took with soup or yogurt as I can't eat, my throat hurts too much. I did get tested for step throat which I don't have. I have a call into my doctor to see if I can get in today because I've been taking these pills since last Wed. I can't swallow & I feel worse. If he can't see me today I may as well go to the ER because I would think I should feel better not worse. Spending the day in bed did help but I can't do that as I have a whole house to run & an 8 yr old to take care of.

One of my problems is I have Hep C from a blood transfusion I got back in 1982. I'm used to getting sick easily & being tired but I can't remember feeling this sick since I was a child.

48 posted on 11/19/2007 5:21:08 AM PST by pandoraou812 ( Its NOT for the good of the children! Its BS along with bending over for Muslim's demands)
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To: pandoraou812

This sounds pretty basic, but with the sore throat and all, are you staying hydrated?


49 posted on 11/19/2007 5:30:28 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Yes, I am drinking ginger ale & green ice tea & 7 Up. I am even gargling. The worst part of today is that its the parent/teacher meeting & my husband is going alone. I don’t know who I feel more sorry for the teacher or Joe. The only good thing I can think of is that if she makes him mad he will finally agree to homeschool. Sassy is a well behaved child & does her work so there shouldn’t be a problem.


50 posted on 11/19/2007 6:00:25 AM PST by pandoraou812 ( Its NOT for the good of the children! Its BS along with bending over for Muslim's demands)
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To: pandoraou812
Getting tested for strep is not so unusual, did you have white spots on your throat or mucosa? With the antibiotics you have been taking, thrush may be a possibility, too.

I'm not a doctor, but I'd get in to one if I were you.

BTW, I sure hope you feel better soon.

51 posted on 11/19/2007 6:19:08 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

My doctor’s office just called & my doctor is out sick. They told me to just keep taking the meds until I can see him. When I had the strep test he didn’t say if there were any white spots. Isn’t thrush something children get? I have a vague memory of getting it as a child or one of my siblings did. This week is not starting out pleasantly!


52 posted on 11/19/2007 6:37:51 AM PST by pandoraou812 ( Its NOT for the good of the children! Its BS along with bending over for Muslim's demands)
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To: pandoraou812
Children seem to get it most often, (think kids with putting their hands and most everything in their mouths). Adults can, but are not as prone because we try not to make oral contact with our world.

Here is the link to the Mayo clinic pages on it. Mayo

This may not be the problem, your throat may just be raw from coughing.

Do you have a back-up doctor you can call?

53 posted on 11/19/2007 6:58:20 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Thanks for the info. No just my dr’s partner who I don’t get along with. I like my doctor quite a bit because he works with me on the Hep C. I’ve found most family doctors just shove you off to the gastro doctors. This doctor has taken the time to look into my problems and find a hospital that he trusts to deal with the Hep C. I am sure when he calls in he will call me asap.


54 posted on 11/19/2007 7:34:02 AM PST by pandoraou812 ( Its NOT for the good of the children! Its BS along with bending over for Muslim's demands)
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To: XenaLee

Actually, it’s even worse than you suspect. That is, dentists, orthodontists, periodontists, and oral surgeons, while they work closely with each other all the time, are really unto themselves. As a glaring example, dentists and orthodontists don’t even use the same numbering system for teeth.

They do, however, have strict limits on what each of their specialties does, and the order in which they do it, based on what the problem is.

As far as relating to other doctors, however, it is more problematic. I suspect this is because referrals are to a great extent limited from them to internists, not the other way around. In this way, dentists often act as GPs for all sorts of oral problems, and problems reflected in the mouth that only their diagnosis and experience would detect.

Unless a problem is glaringly obvious, a GP would send someone with any oral problem to an ear, nose, and throat specialist, or a gastroenterologist. But for example, in the case of my Aunt, they would look everywhere but the mouth for problems. They would even suspect a brain infection first. And it certainly didn’t help that she was elderly, with reduced mental capacity at the time.

I think they finally diagnosed her problem after months because she had a routine dental check-up.

In any event, there are reasons why the two branches of medicine have drifted apart. It might not be the best situation, but it is not done for petty reasons.

As an aside, I had a cousin who was a dentist, and while driving halfway across my State, I got a two-hour rant about the FDA. Seems that they had decided to ban some black, tarry goop that dentists had been putting in tooth sockets for over a hundred years to stave off infections, because if you ate several ounces of it, you would get sick. But there was no alternative available at the time.

So the FDA was willing to accept perhaps 30,000 serious dental infections annually, in exchange for banning the stuff, which in a hundred years had not sickened a single person. Needless to say, my cousin disagreed. A lot.


55 posted on 11/19/2007 8:47:27 AM PST by Popocatapetl
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To: Popocatapetl; XenaLee

My best friend was fighting multiple serious infections and they couldn’t figure out why.

The doctor checked her heart and heard a murmur, and commented that next time she had dental work, she’d need to go on anti-biotics beforehand as a precaution. My friend then told the doctor that her symptoms actually started after her last cleaning, which she had not made the connection before. She said the doctor actually blanched because she finally figured out what the problem was; my friend was going septic.

She was on three very powerful anti-biotics for several weeks to finally clear up the infection. At the rate she was going, if they hadn’t caught it, she likely would have died from it.


56 posted on 11/19/2007 4:28:15 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: rawcatslyentist

Is there a reason you are posting to me on this old thread and off subject too? So bored you need to come look through old threads.....Or did you just get allowed back on to FR? Check the air in your own tires & have a nice day.


58 posted on 01/02/2009 11:55:29 AM PST by pandoraou812 (Don't play leapfrog with a unicorn! ...........^............)
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