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To: Toddsterpatriot
Yes, the Fed increases the money supply.

If you know that, then take all the facts together and arrive at the logical conclusion. It isn't hard:

1) The fed prints all the new money. The fed continuously prints new money.

2) The fed never decreases the money supply on a net basis (over the long run)

3) The banking system expands credit on top of the monetary base created by the fed by through fractional reserve lending. Banks do not ever decrease the supply of credit except when forced to temporarily by "the business cycle" - this is happening right now.

4) The US Government borrows money. It always increases its debt on a net basis. It has no intention of ever paying it off.

5) It does not matter if the US government borrows money directly from the FED (e.g. open market ops), directly from the commercial banking system (carry trade), or directly from the public. It only matters that it keeps borrowing at an increasing rate. If all the new money comes from the Fed and the banking system, and the US government always increases its borrowing (debt), then the ultimate source that allows all that borrowing is the fed and the banking system.

The concept of using the $US as the world's reserve currency is flawed. It is flawed for the reasons above, and many others. The current system where the $US is the world reserve currency has only been around since 1971, and since 1944 before that. It's not proven by any means, and is unlikely to last much longer.

The dollar is falling because it is losing its status as the 1 and only reserve currency. It will probably continue to decline from here and bottom in the 50-65 range. You're seeing this as higher food, energy, gold, etc prices.
93 posted on 11/21/2007 11:03:10 AM PST by dollarbull
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To: dollarbull
So, was all that a yes? Try again. Do you agree that “The real problem with the US$ as a reserve currency is that whenever the US government has been running a bit short it just prints some more”?
150 posted on 11/21/2007 3:42:54 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (What came first, the bad math or the goldbuggery?)
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To: dollarbull; Toddsterpatriot
1) The fed prints all the new money. The fed continuously prints new money.

Not true. Go back to your econ 101 book and re-read how banks create money.

2) The fed never decreases the money supply on a net basis (over the long run)

Over the long run of course not. Why would the Fed take a long term view that GDP shouldn't grow?

Banks do not ever decrease the supply of credit except when forced to temporarily by "the business cycle" - this is happening right now.

Well then banks DO decrease credit, right? When forced to, or when they have been lending to any and every shyster in the world.

4) The US Government borrows money. It always increases its debt on a net basis. It has no intention of ever paying it off.

You are probably right. But I'll vote for a guy who says he will.

the ultimate source that allows all that borrowing is the fed and the banking system.

Even if the gov't were fiscally responsible you wouldn't want the Fed or anybody else to end the availability of credit.

The concept of using the $US as the world's reserve currency is flawed.

Why? I like the idea of putting my money into the strongest economy in the world, able to defend its borders from attack and able to manage reserves so that inflation doesn't erode the value of my assets.

The dollar is falling because it is losing its status as the 1 and only reserve currency.

Maybe so, but as an investment vehicle currencies are like trending machines. The largest spec market in the world, and for a good reason. The trends last for months and years. This has happened before and the world didn't end. Europe should have gone bankrupt after the Euro debuted and crashed for a couple of years.

174 posted on 11/21/2007 6:56:40 PM PST by groanup (Lawyers never create anything, especially wealth, but they sure steal a lot of it.)
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To: dollarbull
It does not matter if the US government borrows money directly from the FED (e.g. open market ops), directly from the commercial banking system (carry trade), or directly from the public.

Exactly, the Treasury does not depend on the Fed purchases to fund their operations.

216 posted on 11/23/2007 8:14:14 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (What came first, the bad math or the goldbuggery?)
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