[DocH]

I started shooting and hunting at around 7 or 8 years old, was a member of a gun club and shooting targets (rifle and pistol) and skeet (shotguns) in my early teens, went to boot camp in 1975 and shot competitively in the Marine Corps (service rifle and pistol) off and on for 13 years, while in the Corps - I did some MOUT training in "shooting houses" on an Israeli military base using shotguns and live rounds, I have continued to be a member of a gun club and worked part time at a gun range/store.

In short, I know firearms.

I never said that shotgun pellets were "weak", or anything about them being "barely able to scare away a quail" (where DO you get this sh*t?). A shotgun is a close in weapon, period (unless, and I DOUBT it's the case here, one uses slugs).

Unlike you, pulling "facts" out of your ass, I read in the story that the perps were 15 feet away when he came outside, but they could have been closer by the time he shot them.

The story and the audio also states that the perps had broken into the neighbor's house and come out with "loot". I DOUBT that a 61 year old man is just going to go out and shoot two people in his neighborhood for no good reason.

Even the prosecutor and judge are required to consider this guy innocent until proven guilty, I think we, as his fellow citizens can give him the benefit of the doubt based on what we've read and heard so far.

Yes, the facts will all come out, and I feel confident this man will either not be charged, or will be found not guilty by a jury of his peers.

[muawiyah]

We need the total specs on the death scene. We don't have that yet. This particular situation doesn't seem as cut and dry to the guy's neighbors as you seem to believe.

Now concerning firing weapons at 6 or 7, I was allowed to fire the over/under at 4 and 5 (for just the .22 round), and progressed to the .410 shotgun barrel at a little older, but the really big time was firing the 12 gauge all by myself (at 10 or 11 )surrounded by all the men in the family ~ big strapping farmers and factory workers ~ all with experience in WWI and WWII. BTW, remember that command track with the 1/15 that led the line of attack in Iraq? Not the tank ~ he had a camera too, and when they took a look at what he was looking at, you saw the command track ~ my heart about flipped out when I saw it was #47, and I and a gazillion other guys know that one. Made me feel really good ~

Fully loaded 12 gauge can really knock you backwards Fur Shur.

So, yeah, all we have is this guy's story on the distances. We were always taught to pull the body outside into the front yard, so I suppose you could pull them across the line into your own front yard. If they hadn't bled out much he might get away with it.

Like I said, all the facts aren't in on this one.