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To: 2ndDivisionVet
So the European Union is now the enemy of the United States?! President Bush said: "Any government that supports, protects or harbours terrorists is complicit in the murder of the innocent and equally guilty of terrorist crimes" and "Every nation in every region now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."

Nope. The European Union is no enemy of the United States. We Europeans do not harbour or protect known terrorists. Nevertheless it is pretty irrelevant what President Bush said about the old continent since we Europeans tend to make our very own decisions. Romania entered our club, the European Union, which is decisive for their economic development, since their trade with the US i.e. is completely irrelevant for them. The Romanians are completely dependent on western Europe and its cooperation. They want to be fully recognized Europeans with European values and This is the reason why they signed among other things the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR). That convention is not compatible to the current US practice with terrorists. Therefore we have to check whether there were deliberate infringements or not. If that should be the case Romania will have to pay a high price for sure, since Europe will and can not tolerate such behavior in its own backyard.

It is okay what you Americans do in your sphere of influence. Nobody in Europe would ever interfere in American jurisprudence. On the other hand we do not tolerate your dungeons in our sphere of influence.* You would not do that either. The Romanians (or in some case other eastern Europeans) have to decide what is more important to them - European values or subordination under American leadership.

* This is the reason why some CIA-agents (there was some causeless highjacking of European citizens) better not step on European soil again. They could end up in a Italian or German prison for 10 to 15 years.

6 posted on 11/18/2007 11:51:15 PM PST by Atlantic Bridge (Avoid boring people!)
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To: Atlantic Bridge
If you want a war with the United States, feel free to arrest those CIA officers. Someday the “friendly” hegemon won’t be so friendly.
7 posted on 11/19/2007 12:00:18 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: Atlantic Bridge
We Europeans do not harbour or protect known terrorists.

Hogwash. the french have done exactly that for years.

....decide what is more important to them - European values or subordination under American leadership.

God all you europeans are a bunch of arrogant pricks. When the romanians go your way it's "values" when they go our way it's "subordination". Y'all say crap like that and then wonder why you get such a cold reception here. Idiot.

8 posted on 11/19/2007 12:09:18 AM PST by bad company (How much easier is self-sacrifice than self-realization)
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To: Atlantic Bridge
"Romania entered our club, the European Union, which is decisive for their economic development, since their trade with the US i.e. is completely irrelevant for them."

That would be news to Boeing.......

13 posted on 11/19/2007 5:34:44 AM PST by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: Atlantic Bridge
Nope. The European Union is no enemy of the United States.

The European Union is enemy of freedom in general.

23 posted on 11/20/2007 1:40:43 PM PST by Lukasz
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