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Foreclosures Hit a Snag for Lenders
The New York TImes ^ | November 15, 2007 | Gretchen Morgenson

Posted on 11/15/2007 7:10:13 PM PST by givemELL

Judge Christopher A. Boyko of Federal District Court in Cleveland dismissed 14 foreclosure cases brought on behalf of mortgage investors, ruling that they had failed to prove that they owned the properties they were trying to seize.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: foreclosures; lenders
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This leaves mortgage lenders and their investors, banks up the creek...and is a godsend to mortgage holders of subprime and ALT-A mortgages in the future (they peak for default in 2011 as the subprime stuff is winding down. The losses will be massive if this ruling holds up..expect a Supreme Court challenge. Here are two especially informative news sites on the national housing and commercial, bank and mortgage lender and even hedge fund problems. One hundred and eighty six mortgage lenders have folded this year, and 22 hedge funds have folded. To follow this stuff daily, here are three sites of great utility: www.ml-implode.com www.hf-implode.com www.nychousingbubble.blogspot.com

Happy reading..eom

1 posted on 11/15/2007 7:10:14 PM PST by givemELL
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To: givemELL
So they got the lesson one learns early in life, the job isn’t finish till you complete the paper work. Some people are about to get free home. LOL
2 posted on 11/15/2007 7:17:50 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: givemELL
Proof of standing is a fundamental element of the law. I don’t see challenges to this as likely going very far.
3 posted on 11/15/2007 7:24:00 PM PST by DB
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To: Hydroshock

ping


4 posted on 11/15/2007 7:24:26 PM PST by B4Ranch (( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share." ))
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To: org.whodat

Somebody has the paper.


5 posted on 11/15/2007 7:24:41 PM PST by DB
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To: givemELL

A lot of lenders made loans they should not have made on terms they should not have agreed on. The homeowners who overreached are not solely to blame.


6 posted on 11/15/2007 7:26:01 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (You can't be serious about national security unless you're serious about border security)
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To: givemELL

“The big issue in all these cases, whether we are dealing with a bankruptcy court, a state court or a federal court, is who really owns the mortgage note, and that is allegedly what they securitized, said O. Max Gardner III, a lawyer who represents borrowers in foreclosure in Shelby, N.C. “A collateral question is, has that mortgage note really been transferred and assigned to the securitization trust? If not, then they really don’t have standing. It’s Law School 101.”


7 posted on 11/15/2007 7:27:51 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: givemELL

I don’t agree with the judge. If they did not own it, then the true owner can sue to foreclose. If they did own it, then they can sue to foreclose. Someone can sue to foreclose. To me, it looks like the judge was looking for a way to let the borrower off the hook. Not good for the economy for judges to simply let people who owe money off the hook.


8 posted on 11/15/2007 7:31:39 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: DB
From the article: "I have heard of instances where the same loan is in two or three pools.”

Wow. Just wow. What in the world are we in for.
9 posted on 11/15/2007 7:32:00 PM PST by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: org.whodat

In my view, it’s not really funny. The whole system will go to hell if judges won’t enforce mortgages.


10 posted on 11/15/2007 7:32:44 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: DB
Somebody has the paper.

True!

11 posted on 11/15/2007 7:33:05 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: Brilliant
If they did not own it, then the true owner can sue to foreclose. If they did own it, then they can sue to foreclose. Someone can sue to foreclose.

If you could rephrase that in a way that makes sense I'd be forever indebted.

12 posted on 11/15/2007 7:36:38 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture ™)
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To: givemELL

This is NOT something which has some broad and important consequences. Deutsche Bank didn’t have handy the assignment contracts - ie, sloppy paperwork. It’s not as if there are not actual assignments in existence. Its not as though the local loan broker still holds the mortgage even though they get cashed out by DB a month after the note was recorded.

And this whole idea that these homeowners are somehow victims is retarded. In order to get foreclosed upon, you have to NOT BE MAKING YOUR MORTGAGE PAYMENTS!!! Its not like DB just rolled up to some old lady and said “Get Out!”. They don’t want to foreclose on these houses in a market like Ohio. They desparately want these people to start making payments of any kind and keep this paper out there.

There aren’t any victims in this situation. This is just bad representation by the law firm that showed up for DB. They should have had their ducks in a row like any reasonably competent counsel would have. And if they found that DB actually didn’t have notarized assignments to all these mortgages, then they would be slapping people in the head until they got the executed copies in their hands. End of story. Its not like a couple hundred thousand dollar note is just going to slip through the freaking cracks here. SOMEBODY owns the note. SOMEBODY is going to foreclose. The borrowers have guaranteed that by not paying their mortgage (probably for six months or more by the time of this hearing).

This is a clerical matter and not some matter of law. Its like showing up with a lawsuit in which nobody signed the last page attesting that it was written by them. Just sloppiness.


13 posted on 11/15/2007 7:39:45 PM PST by bpjam (Harry Reid doesn't even have 32% of my approval)
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To: Brilliant
But lawyers for Deutsche Bank supplied documents showing only an intent to convey the rights in the mortgages rather than proof of ownership as of the foreclosure date.

All they need to do is show the judge they own the mortgages and he will enforce them.

14 posted on 11/15/2007 7:40:16 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: Brilliant

>> If they did not own it, then the true owner can sue to foreclose.

I wonder if maybe a whole bunch of mortgages were pooled as collateral for some complex investment vehicle that in turn is owned by a whole bunch of investors. Thus, there’s a many-to-many relationship between investors and borrowers.

So, each investor kinda sorta owns a little piece of each mortgage — but no particular investor can prove complete ownership of any particular mortgage.

If so — what a mess!!!


15 posted on 11/15/2007 7:43:39 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Retire Ron Paul! Support Chris Peden (www.chrispeden.org))
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To: Nervous Tick
Hmmmmm.

The Tragedy of the Commons...

16 posted on 11/15/2007 7:46:27 PM PST by null and void (No more Bushes/No more Clintons)
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To: Clintonfatigued

“The homeowners who overreached are not solely to blame.”

Ok not solely...maybe 95% to blame.


17 posted on 11/15/2007 7:47:03 PM PST by DemEater
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To: org.whodat
Well now, that’s the bottom line, isn’t it?
Or is it?
If your mortgage is now percentably apportioned and owned by several different investment groups, and not 100% by the bank you bought it from, whom do you make partial payments too?
18 posted on 11/15/2007 7:53:24 PM PST by sarasmom (Hunter /Thompson 2008! 15-35% of Democrats would be happy to vote for Hunter Thompson as POTUS!)
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To: bpjam

Before we had personal computers (!) I worked in the mortgage department of a bank. I had to coordinate the loan sales and make sure the manually typed assignment documents got recorded, etc. It was a nightmare of details and rushed deadlines. It looks like things have gotten worse instead of better, LOL.


19 posted on 11/15/2007 7:54:29 PM PST by donna (The United States Constitution and the Koran are mutually exclusive.)
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To: givemELL

Is this a tactic that the average debtor facing foreclosure can use? If so I would imagine that lawyers are buzzing about this.


20 posted on 11/15/2007 7:55:02 PM PST by montag813
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