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To: mysterio
True story, phony money. So says the U.S. Mint, which would like to remind Liberty Dollar users that since the United States already has its own currency, the only thing Liberty Dollars buy in these parts is a jail term.

Then I guess the US Mint better go after every single freaking MC/VISA gift card ever made. Those are effectively private currencies as well.

128 posted on 11/15/2007 8:33:01 AM PST by Centurion2000 (False modesty is as great a sin as false pride.)
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To: Centurion2000
Then I guess the US Mint better go after every single freaking MC/VISA gift card ever made.

No, those are ok. Better lobbyists.
133 posted on 11/15/2007 8:35:22 AM PST by mysterio
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From the US Mint's website.

The National Organization for the Repeal of the Federal Reserve Act and the Internal Revenue Code (NORFED) is producing and marketing gold and silver medallions that NORFED calls "Liberty Dollars." The United States Mint and the United States Department of Justice have received inquiries regarding the legality of these so-called "Liberty Dollar" medallions. The United States Mint urges consumers who are considering the purchase or use of these items to be aware that they are not genuine United States Mint bullion coins and they are not legal tender. These medallions are privately produced products and are not backed by, nor affiliated in any way with, the United States Government. Moreover, prosecutors with the Department of Justice have determined that the use of these gold and silver NORFED "Liberty Dollar" medallions as circulating money is a Federal crime.

Consumers may find advertisements for these medallions confusing and should take note of several issues related to them.

First, the advertisements refer to the product as "real money" and "currency." These medallions might look like real money because they—

Bear the inscriptions, "Liberty," "Dollars," "Trust in God" (similar to "In God We Trust"), and "USA" (similar to "United States of America"), and an inscription purporting to denote the year of production; and

Depict images that are similar to United States coins, such as the torch on the reverses of the current dime coin, 1986 Statute of Liberty commemorative silver dollar and 1993 Bill of Rights commemorative half-dollar, and the Liberty Head designs on the obverses of United States gold coins from the mid-1800s to the early 1900s. However, despite their misleading appearance, NORFED "Liberty Dollar" medallions are not genuine United States Mint coins and they are not legal tender.

Second, the advertisements confusingly refer to NORFED "Liberty Dollar" medallions as "legal" and "constitutional." However, under the Constitution ( Article I, section 8, clause 5 ), Congress has the exclusive power to coin money of the United States and to regulate its value. By statute ( 31 U.S.C. § 5112(a) ), Congress specifies the coins that the Secretary of the Treasury is authorized to mint and issue and requires the Secretary to carry out these duties at the United States Mint (31 U.S.C. § 5131). Accordingly, the United States Mint is the only entity in the United States with the lawful authority to mint and issue legal tender United States coins.

Under 18 U.S.C. § 486, it is a Federal crime to utter or pass, or attempt to utter or pass, any coins of gold or silver intended for use as current money except as authorized by law. According to the NORFED website, "Liberty merchants" are encouraged to accept NORFED "Liberty Dollar" medallions and offer them as change in sales transactions of merchandise or services. Further, NORFED tells "Liberty associates" that they can earn money by obtaining NORFED "Liberty Dollar" medallions at a discount and then can "spend [them] into circulation." Therefore, NORFED’s "Liberty Dollar" medallions are specifically intended to be used as current money in order to limit reliance on, and to compete with the circulating coinage of the United States. Consequently, prosecutors with the United States Department of Justice have concluded that the use of NORFED’s "Liberty Dollar" medallions violates 18 U.S.C. § 486.

http://www.usmint.gov/consumer/index.cfm?flash=yes&action=HotItems

141 posted on 11/15/2007 8:36:33 AM PST by mnehring (I am free not to support Ron Paul... Wow, I feel special...)
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To: Centurion2000
Then I guess the US Mint better go after every single freaking MC/VISA gift card ever made. Those are effectively private currencies as well.

(1) The US government has not sanctioned this individual for having a private currency.

(2) Gift cards are issued by entities that are backed by federally insured and regulated banks - not a single individual with a non-functioning website.

146 posted on 11/15/2007 8:37:48 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: Centurion2000
Those are backed buy purchase using US currency...

Nice try though...

152 posted on 11/15/2007 8:40:08 AM PST by ejonesie22 (Real voters in real voting booths will elect FDT.)
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To: Centurion2000

Gift cards are paid with legal US tender.


159 posted on 11/15/2007 8:40:57 AM PST by wastedyears (One Marine vs. 550 consultants. Sounds like good odds to me.)
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To: Centurion2000

“Then I guess the US Mint better go after every single freaking MC/VISA gift card ever made. Those are effectively private currencies as well.”

If that is true, then wouldn’t a personal check also be a ‘private currency’ as well and shouldn’t the US Mint ‘go after’ anyone who ever wrote one?


582 posted on 11/15/2007 6:05:55 PM PST by DugwayDuke (Ron Paul - building a bridge to the 19th century.)
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