Posted on 11/15/2007 7:50:21 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder
Frontal Assault on Freedom: FBI Raids Liberty Dollar Posted by BJT on Nov 15, 2007 Read this email closely. I just got it this morning. Those of you who consider the gold standard a quaint anachronism, pay extra close attention. If Ron Paul supporters, gold standard advocates and the Liberty Dollar were nothing but harmless kooks, why would the FBI raid their offices when no crime was ever committed? This is a currency competing with the USD, yes, but they never, but never make the claim that it is legal tender or anything other than what it is: private currency. And private currencies are numerous in the USA.
No. This raid happened because the Liberty Dollar, the second most popular currency in the country, threatens to usurp the entrenched power of the Fed’s Almighty Dollar. People can see the buying power of the greenback eroding, and they will choose something else if it is available, and the Liberty Dollar is ready and waiting. And that’s why the government must resort to force in order to protect its stranglehold on the economy.
From Liberty Dollar Headquarters: Dear Liberty Dollar Supporters:
I sincerely regret to inform you that about 8:00 this morning a dozen FBI and Secret Service agents raided the Liberty Dollar office in Evansville.
For approximately six hours they took all the gold, all the silver, all the platinum and almost two tons of Ron Paul Dollars that where just delivered last Friday. They also took all the files, all the computers and froze our bank accounts.
We have no money. We have no products. We have no records to even know what was ordered or what you are owed. We have nothing but the will to push forward and overcome this massive assault on our liberty and our right to have real money as defined by the US Constitution. We should not to be defrauded by the fake government money.
But to make matters worse, all the gold and silver that backs up the paper certificates and digital currency held in the vault at Sunshine Mint has also been confiscated. Even the dies for mint the Gold and Silver Libertys have been taken.
This in spite of the fact that Edmond C. Moy, the Director of the Mint, acknowledged in a letter to a US Senator that the paper certificates did not violate Section 486 and were not illegal. But the FBI and Services took all the paper currency too.
The possibility of such action was the reason the Liberty Dollar was designed so that the vast majority of the money was in specie form and in the people’s hands. Of the $20 million Liberty Dollars, only about a million is in paper or digital form.
I regret that if you are due an order. It may be some time until it will be filled… if ever… it now all depends on our actions.
Everyone who has an unfulfilled order or has digital or paper currency should band together for a class action suit and demand redemption. We cannot allow the government to steal our money! Please don’t let this happen!!! Many of you read the articles quoting the government and Federal Reserve officials that the Liberty Dollar was legal. You did nothing wrong. You are legally entitled to your property. Let us use this terrible act to band together and further our goal – to return America to a value based currency.
Please forward this important Alert… so everyone who possess or use the Liberty Dollar is aware of the situation.
Please click HERE to sign up for the class action lawsuit and get your property back!
If the above link does not work you can access the page by copying the following into your web browser. http://www.libertydollar.org/classaction/index.php
Thanks again for your support at this darkest time as the damn government and their dollar sinks to a new low.
Bernard von NotHaus
Effective FBI agents seize not only primary records but backup records, execute their raids on all business locations at the same time, and simultaneously serve asset freeze and injunction court orders against any service providers which store the target business' data, records, and funds.
Ruh, Roh. Nice catch. Didn't see the date. By now von Nutcase should be about to stand trial, if he hasn't fled the country.
No, the raid didn't occur a year and a half ago - the groundwork being laid for the raid started in earnest a year and a half ago.
Hmmm...
When did the raid occur?
This particular kook is not merely using his name, but is using his likeness in a scam that he is running and also claiming that his scam is intended to be a source of independent contributions to Ron Paul's presidential campaign.
Honorable people respond to such activity as a black mark on their good name.
All the more reason to try to protect his likeness, name and **ahem** 'reputation.'
Do you think President Bush was involved in a 9/11 conspiracy because he hasn’t personally taken the time to publicly denounce every single crank loony website that says he was?
If they claimed he agreed with them and endorsed them, I have no doubt a denial would go out.
L.Ron doesn't care about taking neo-nazi money and he doesn't care about being associated with this. The most plausible explanation for this is that he agrees with the anti-Israeli sentiments of the former and the howling goldbug nuttery of the latter.
If they are claiming that the plasma TV is legal currency convertible into dollars on a one-to-one ratio with what the purchaser paid for it, absolutely.
Judging by the reference to the Ron Paul bullion, fairly recently. They first announced that it would be available earlier this year.
Straight out of the Evansville phone book on my desk.
And gee, guess what, that’s not what they’re claiming with the Liberty Dollar either.
Because: If I am Best Buy and sell you a $50 gift certificate good at Best Buy, there is no problem. If I tell you that said gift cert is redeemable at Costco, then I am misrepresenting the redeemability of said piece of “currency”. The printed claim(s) on the paper (which I can’t read well because the pieces of same are piled on top of each other in the pix on this thread, obscuring some text) is that the pieces of currency are legal tender and broadly redeemable, which is flat out not true.
Wasn’t when we went into Baghdad the first thing we did was raid the Palace and steal all the Gold? Guess they have decided to start taking down this country and stealing wealth from private citizens.
It is not in my interest to waste the valuable law enforcement time my taxes pay for.
It is in the interest of Mr. "Bernard von NotHaus" to document his extremely financially convenient claims - if he expects to be believed by intelligent people.
Well, when you consider who has all the “evidence” and what could be done with it I think it’s reasonable to believe that “fraud” will be claimed somewhere or sometime in the process. I do not trust government or those that work for it. Unfortunately, my mistrust has been proven sound in too many cases.
“Paul is selling the notes and claiming they are as valid as U.S. Currency.”
As far as I know, “Paul” has nothing to do with this company.
Hank
We need more info.
The 'whoever accepts them' is contingent on someone knowing the value of the underlying metal is equal to the face value. And just who would that be? Do you really believe the usual business owner will be knowledgeable enough to allow the acceptance of such coinage by his employees? Would you accept such coinage on the 'promise' that the underlying value is equal to the face value?
And what if you're convinced, and accept the coins? Will your bank then be equally accommodating when you try to deposit them in your account? Or will the next businessman be so accommodating when you attempt to use them in buying a lb. of beef?
No. Gift cards have value because they've been purchased with legal tender. Liberty Dollars only have value if the person who's asked to accept them finds them of value. Look, if you want to run out right now and stock up on these, more power to you. And I'll wish you luck. You'll need it.
Claudia Dickens, spokeswoman for the U.S. Treasury Department's Bureau of Engraving and Printing, said American Liberty Currency is legitimate. "There's nothing illegal about this," Dickens said after the Treasury Department's legal team reviewed the currency. "As long as it doesn't say legal tender there's nothing wrong with it."
See my post #338.
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