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To: Petronski; kevkrom

That’s how good—and how dangerous—this lie is,
***Yup. What you just posted was either a lie or a mistake. You cc’d Kevkrom, not me. I’ve seen others do that in the hopes that the post would be overlooked.

I will let the readers decide for themselves.

It took you this long to actually start using the data. You said, “highly-predictive Intrade futures contract is valued at .1 “ which means that you consider it highly-predictive and good data. Now, I happen to not like the fact that Hunter is valued so low, but I’m posting Intrade results right & left because they are what they are. But you go around calling me a liar after you’ve posted on the thread where Fred was leading at Intrade and accepting the good news as good data.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1842292/posts

You and I went round & round on that other thread where it was agreed this was an apples-to-oranges comparison (metaphor put forth by me, not you) and I said it was reasonable as long as I called it fruit. Apples are apples, oranges are oranges, both are fruit. Polling data are polls, Intrade is futures contracts, and both are data.

I think our exchanges should prove educational on the efficacy thread so I think I will copy them over to there.

Thanks for bumping the thread.


84 posted on 11/14/2007 8:01:47 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Kevmo
Tou said, “highly-predictive Intrade futures contract is valued at .1 “ which means that you consider it highly-predictive and good data.

No, it means I'm a sarcastic SOB.

Polling data are polls, Intrade is futures contracts, and both are data.

But they cannot be compared one to the other. Clearly labeling them.

Comparing Fred at 6% (not a percentage) to Hunter at 4% (a polling percentage) is a lie.

Either compare Intrade futures (.1 for Hunter, 6.x for Fred) or compare poll results (Fred at 11%, Hunter <2%)

Anything else is deceptive, and it has been made abundantly clear to you.

Apples are apples, oranges are oranges, both are fruit.

And in this case, intercomparing them is a lie.

86 posted on 11/14/2007 8:06:52 PM PST by Petronski (Willardcare abortions $50 each, $25 per twin. Ask for S&H Stamps!)
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To: Kevmo
What you just posted was either a lie or a mistake. You cc’d Kevkrom, not me.

Not a lie or a mistake. I pinged the man I wanted to ping.

87 posted on 11/14/2007 8:08:08 PM PST by Petronski (Willardcare abortions $50 each, $25 per twin. Ask for S&H Stamps!)
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To: Kevmo; Petronski
"Futures" contracts like Intrade represent the current perception of the probability of a particular event. They in no way measure actual support, which a poll does, at least in some measure.

Comparing a probability to a poll is truly an apples and oranges comparison.

119 posted on 11/15/2007 4:57:37 AM PST by kevkrom (“Should government be doing this? And if so, then at what level of government?” - FDT)
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