We could give them the benefit of the doubt?
Posted on 11/12/2007 7:59:49 PM PST by cradle of freedom
Suppose there were a political party which proclaimed that it was OK to kill anyone who is in not in the party. Suppose the party declared that it wanted to take over all countries in the world and convert them. Suppose the party published a book which laid out its principles and intentions clearly for all to see.
We would ban members of that party.
There is such a party. It’s getting a free pass by claiming to be a religion. It’s not a religion.
Ban them.
I have posted this on FreeRepublic a couple of times but people may not remember it.
Every now and the I go into Sheffield to watch the football (soccer!) .
On this occasion in March 2006 I was in my mate’s car on our way to the ground . Part of the journey is through a neighbourhood called Spital Hill , which is where the City’s immigrants , mainly Pakistani or Middle Eastern , live .
There is a Mosque there ; a big green and white thing ; but to be fair there has never been any bother there . On that Saturday , however , we noticed that a previously derelict Victorian villa had been refurbished and was now called ‘Wahab Jama Masjid ‘, and had also expanded to take in the Community Centre next door . This Centre was a publicly run concern , but as I made further enquiries it appeared that the City had let Muslim volunteers clean and paint it a bit . After they had done this they started the usual tricks - asking that no alchohol be permitted , women stay in a separate room etc . The response ? Sheffield Council handed the Centre over to this Whahab Whateveritis Crowd .
A few weeks later we were going up the Hill and police had closed the road . This is because Mosque members asked for this as a ‘safety’ measure . This on a Saturday lunchtime when tens of thousands of people use this main artery to go north to the stadium or south to the main shopping area .
It was not long after this that people found leaflets pouring out hatred for America (including some PO Box address for donations to families of ‘martyrs’ who had carried out suicide attacks on US and British troops in Iraq ), not to mention Jews ‘Aoshwitts (sic) ? the Zionist pigs asked for it’. Jewish gravestones in a nearby cemetery were found broken . In addition , Burngreave Methodist Church has it’s windows smashed twice and urine and excrement thrown on the main entrance in a 2 day period . The vicar complained to police who responded ( 5 days later ) by suggesting it must have been committed by soccer fans !
The final staw for some of us was when they appointed a new Imam from Yemen , who , it turned out , was already living here illegally . He openly claimed that the indigenous British population were ‘perverted dogs who smell of shit’ and good Muslims should avoid contact with them . Funny , he did not avoid our Welfare system : - he was living in Public Housing and claiming £120 ($2400 a week benefit ) . This was too much even for some of his congregation , who had to get police protection after they had spoken out against him .
South Yorkshire Police stated that ‘at this time we cannot find anything untoward’ .
I lost it . One evening I had flyers printed praising Israel , Serbia , and George Bush , then stuck loads of them on trees , car windscreens , and shop doorways in that area . I also posted comments on MySheffield website describing Islam as ‘a tenth rate Nazi , women abusing , paedophiliac , camel shagging death cult that quite frankly , Charles Manson might think twice about joining ‘as well as calling for a moratorium on all Muslim immigration .
Two days later the full force of England’s Law descended on me . A couple of South Yorkshire police called at my door as I was about to leave for work . They were non too polite and stated that my actions could cause a race riot.
‘Don’t give me that bollocks ‘ . I answered back . ‘I’ve not done owt wrong . In any case Muslims are a religious group NOT a race . Now either nick me or piss off and do them for anti - Semitic and anti - Christian hatred ‘.
‘They are not anti - anyone ; the Muslim community is a peace loving one’ Replied the senior of the two . As for nicking you , well that int my decision , but if it was you would be banged up for a fair old while ‘. At this point they stormed off .
I subsequently recieved a letter from the CPS (like your District Attourney) charging me with Incitement to Racial Hatred . My lawyer hit back saying I had not incited against any race . The CPS brought a new charge - Using Language Likely To Cause Fear , Alarm , Or Distress . One month before I was due in Court the Judge’s Clerk sent me a list of tarriffs I would face for my ‘crimes against a Community’ .
After seeing this I refused to show up in Court . I found out that nearly two hundred other people had been threatened in this way , so we started an action group .
Teams of police who turned up at the homes of people found themselves facing a hostile crowd . Arrested people wer forcibly freed by us and police vehicles were damaged . When they tried charging us we simply swapped each others’ personal details , which meant that it would have taken police years to pursue us .
In the meantime the local press had got involved , as well as my local MP (a delightful old Right - Wing maverick !)
In April this year all charges against every one of us were dropped . At the time of writing some of us are planning a Class Action against SYP and Sheffield CPS . And do you know what ? I would do the same thing again .
All this happened in Liberal Britain : However , don’t laugh at the Limey police and Court system - you only have to glance at places like Detroit , Newark , Minneapolis , Oakland , or wherever , to see that what happened to me could happen to any of you Freepers who try to stick up for their Nation and way of life . Islam is slowly worming its way into the Western way of thinking . I hope this is a warning for America. Show this post to your family and friends
Take care and thanks for reading
Yours Ever
Eddie Wilson (Jabbermog)
14 November 2007
Thanks and God bless you for your powerful and revealing post. I do not live in a heavily Muslin area but I have been learning much about Islam —by the way, my ancestors were invaded and occupied by the Muslims for centuries.
I hope that your story will open the eyes of some of the well meaning but naive people who having grown up in a country where people are expected to behave in a civilized way, assume that people all over the world have the same values.
I have learned much about what is happening with Islam by reading www.jihadwatch.com. Jihad Watch has a link called Dhimmi Watch which has exposed the craven and cowardly way that political leaders in Europe and the US have caved in to Muslim demands. Some people still don’t understand that it is not just the occasional bomber who is a danger but the relentless aggressive agitators who use our system against us to wear us down and gradually erode our freedoms.
I hope that all of us “dhimmis” all over the world will communicate, get together and stop these thugs and the cowardly weasel Quislings that we sometimes elect to public office.
Now it’s Muslim workers complaining that they are not getting enough prayer time...yadayadayada.
And the beat goes on, and on, and on...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1925946/posts
No more muslims. Deport all who are not citizens, and be prepared to deport the rest.
We should stop Muslims. (period)
there, that’s better
I vote yes.
Why no, we only have several million Muslims, and about 30 million illegal aliens, from who knows where...
Were in a global war on terror. So what the big deal about allowing people in from all over the planet into the country?
It's not like we're in any danger. I think our government knows best.
Easy: Give them the choice to declare their allegiance: The US Constitution or islamic law. If they choose the latter, kick them the hell out of the country. If they support islamism, no matter their allegiance, kick them out of the country. If they threaten to kill us, kill them first. Pretty basic stuff.
I wonder why Israel doesn't use that same test given the fact that 16% of their population is comprised of Arab muslims.
We are not at war with Islam but Islam is at war with us because Islam is at war with anyone who is not Muslim.
Who represents Islam? What Islamic country is at war with the US? Iraq and Afghanistan are muslim countries. Muslims are killing other muslims. Should we leave Iraq and Afghanistan?
Well, yeah! They need to live in the country where their religion is the law of the land, that is the only way things will ever change. It’s pretty darn easy to live here, be free, practice their religion to the degree they wish but not live within the constraints they support for others in more unfortunate lands. Course I don’t know what we’d do for doctors :^)
It is all those who believe that Muslims have the right to kill non-Muslims who are at war with us. The people who flew those planes into the World Trade Center were representatives of those kinds of Muslims.
I don’t think all Muslims want to do this but I make a distinction between those who were born to the Islamic culture and do their best to be good human beings and those who really believe that they have the right to harm others.
So you agree with me that we are not at war with Islam. You didn't answer my question, should we stay in Iraq and Afghanistan and support muslim governments?
We could give them the benefit of the doubt?
“We are not at war with Islam.”
But islam is at war with us. You seem so readily to side with islam. Do you support islam? Simple question: A YES or NO answer will suffice. Which is it? Or, are you too cowardly to answer?
I am not a Muslim. I don’t believe that Islam is the enemy, but rather, a small minority of the 1 billion plus adherents of the religion, i.e., militant Islamic fundamentalists who are killing mostly other Muslims.
Kabar:
They are not a small minority, you are either a Muslim and believe and support the Jihad and all it stands for or you are an infidel like the rest. So as a Muslim you either give your 10% or more to the cause or you give yourself personally to the cause, there is no middle ground. Not all of them are worker Bees some are builder Bees and unfortunately they together work toward the one thing that they want most and that is a totally Islamic World, and the return of the Mufti..
So my answer is NO, to more Muslims and I too think we should get rid of them and get rid of their Mosques as well.
yes
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