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To: PlainOleAmerican

“There is NO nation to declare war against.”

There is Saudi Arabia — we were attacked by Saudis in 2001; and the Saudis are still sending forth their Wahabbi-Islamo-Nazi imams who are spreading their message of hatred for all unbelievers. They are here in America right now, spreading their message of hate.

I believe that the Saudis understand that they are going to be targeted, and that’s why they are trying to fashion a solution for the Israel/Palestine dispute, before it ends in nuclear war.

We cannot prosecute this war any further now, because President Bush has totally obscured who the real enemy is. He receives CAIR at the White House, and his family does business with the Saudis.

I know of no consensus that invading Iraq was necessary to fighting Al Qaeda. I really don’t know why Bush made the decision to invade Iraq. Perhaps it was the supposed WMDs; perhaps partially due to the attempt on his father’s life; perhaps his neo-Wilsonian desire to spread democracy across the globe. Whatever his probably well-intentioned reasons, the main effects of the Iraq invasion have been to greatly weaken the Republican Party, and greatly raise the influence of Iran. Not good at all!

On the Patriot act, I would say that you have a strong argument. There must be some reason we have stayed relatively safe with our nation’s borders wide open, and the Patriot act may well have provided the edge our law enforcement forces needed.


380 posted on 11/11/2007 9:47:42 PM PST by devere
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To: devere

“There is Saudi Arabia — we were attacked by Saudis in 2001”

Not all were Saudi’s and those who were are Saudi exiles who had been thrown out of Saudi. They had attacked Saudi for heavens sake.

By this logic, we should declare war against America, because 14 of the 19 hijackers were actually LEGAL US residents.

“Wahabbi-Islamo-Nazi imams who are spreading their message of hatred for all unbelievers. They are here in America right now, spreading their message of hate.”

Isn’t the constitution great! On those freedoms and civil rights?

“I know of no consensus that invading Iraq was necessary to fighting Al Qaeda.”

Then you haven’t read any of the official threat assessment reports or international intelligence reports on the subject.

“I really don’t know why Bush made the decision to invade Iraq.”

Bush? Don’t you mean Bush and 85% of congress who voted to support use of force to depose Hussein? Invasion? Don’t you mean liberation?

All of the folks who voted in favor of this mission did so for the same reasons, our best intel and that of our allies agreed 95% that it had to be done to stop the possibility of (pay attention now) “raw” bio, chem or nuclear materials that could be weaponized and delivered via terror networks, making them WMD’s, from reaching our cities.

The enemy had no long range nukes on 9/11. They used commercial airliners as WMD’s.... Think conventional threats, and you will be on the wrong track in this war.

Use 1776 rules of engagement and you’ll lose this war.


433 posted on 11/12/2007 5:58:10 AM PST by PlainOleAmerican
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