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To: justa-hairyape; PROCON; dragnet2; xcamel; neverdem; Reform Canada
One of the problems of being a skeptic against AGW extremists is that their “religion” of AGW is so simple, so easily put into a single 30 second soundbite that blames man/US/America/oil-and-coal-burning-capitalist for what little GW is happening.

Evil = Bad = Energy production = Coal & oil burning = more CO2 = global warming = catastrophes = must stop burning oil & coal immediately ....

Being a skeptic REQUIRES that you be able to show that mankind (and his energy production) is NOT the cause of whatever the extremists can point to as a symptom.
Thus, a skeptic must be able to explain WHY the sun is changing (and thus explain every change that is happening on earth). If we can’t find the original reason for the changes in the sun, the AGW extremists will beat us in the propaganda game - which,in politics, is all that matters.

If gravity (Jupiter & Saturn's positions) can explain periodic disruptions in the sun's surface - and thus the sun's rotating magnetic fields and solar flares and UV/IR intensities) - and IF those disruptions match the changes we have seen in the earth's past, then a skeptic's case can be justified. But "justification" for or against AGW CANNOT be based simply by claiming "changes in the sun" - THAT level of explanation cannot stand by itself any more. Now, maybe it "should" be able to stand on its own but in today's world of bitter, unethical, socialist AGW extremists, that explanation will not stand on its own.

70 posted on 11/12/2007 4:22:59 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
If we can’t find the original reason for the changes in the sun, the AGW extremists will beat us in the propaganda game - which,in politics, is all that matters.

I agree with your points, however lets assume the theory in this threads article and the NASA prediction for a historically weak Solar Cycle 25 and now weak prediction for Solar Cycle 24 ring true. The AGW extremists are eventually going to look ridiculous and clown-like running around telling the world that we have to lower the mean temperature of the Earth while everyone is freezing during winter time. Its possible that the Thames could freeze again sometime in 2017-2020. We are already seeing the cooling beginning in the Southern Hemisphere. It should start this winter in the Northern Hemisphere. This winter could be cold, late and lead to a cool spring and mild summer followed by a very cold 2008-2009 winter in the Northern Hemisphere. The 2008 winter in the Southern Hemisphere could be very cold. Now Solar Cycle 24 should begin soon and if it has at least an almost average activity rate it could cause 2010-2013 to stay mild, but 2016-2020 looks to be deadly cold. That is if these solar activity predictions ring true.

75 posted on 11/12/2007 5:47:19 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
But "justification" for or against AGW CANNOT be based simply by claiming "changes in the sun" - THAT level of explanation cannot stand by itself any more. Now, maybe it "should" be able to stand on its own but in today's world of bitter, unethical, socialist AGW extremists, that explanation will not stand on its own.

Your comment has merit. It kept bugging me. How about this for a retort? Show me the science! Show me a concensus, and I'll show you a bunch of grant recipients.

96 posted on 11/16/2007 12:16:36 PM PST by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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