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Suitcase Nukes Said Unlikely To Exist
AP via Yahoo! ^ | 11/10/2007 | Katherine Shrader

Posted on 11/10/2007 1:01:10 PM PST by zencat

Members of Congress have warned about the dangers of suitcase nuclear weapons. Hollywood has made television shows and movies about them. Even the Federal Emergency Management Agency has alerted Americans to a threat — information the White House includes on its Web site. But government experts and intelligence officials say such a threat gets vastly more attention than it deserves. These officials said a true suitcase nuke would be highly complex to produce, require significant upkeep and cost a small fortune.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 24; nukes; suitcase; suitcasenukes; wmd
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To: zencat

Even if someone did manage to take possession of an old soviet nuke, regardless of the size, don’t these devices have a limited shelf life? Isn’t there alot of maintenance that needs to be performed? And, aren’t there components that need to be replaced over time?


21 posted on 11/10/2007 1:22:18 PM PST by dadgum
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To: ThomasThomas

How much would you have to tip the skycap for that one!?


22 posted on 11/10/2007 1:23:31 PM PST by bubbacluck
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To: zencat

Oh good...It CAN’T fit in a suitcase, but it CAN fit in one of the thousands of containers that enter our ports everyday. I feel better.


23 posted on 11/10/2007 1:25:03 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

“They can drive a huge truck in from Mexico.”

Yeah but that truck doesn’t have brakes and will probably have an accident way before it gets here. Bad for the family in the minivan that burns to death but at least no nuclear explosion.


24 posted on 11/10/2007 1:25:13 PM PST by driftdiver
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To: driftdiver
Can it fit in here?


25 posted on 11/10/2007 1:28:30 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: zencat
The smallest US warhead is the W54. It was used in the Davy Crockett shown above in an older post.

It also came as a special demolition device in a backpack form.

There might have been no official 'suitcase' nukes per se, but warheads small enough to fit in large suitcases do exist.

Small warheads do require more maintenance than large ones.


26 posted on 11/10/2007 1:30:58 PM PST by varyouga ("Rove is some mysterious God of politics & mind control" - DU 10-24-06)
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To: dadgum
Yes. Cold-war era small nukes need much more frequent maintenance than large ones.
27 posted on 11/10/2007 1:33:54 PM PST by varyouga ("Rove is some mysterious God of politics & mind control" - DU 10-24-06)
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To: Billthedrill
Did you ever see what happened when they tested it? IIRC the jeep that launched it got blown over by the shock wave. It wasn’t exactly long range.
28 posted on 11/10/2007 1:34:39 PM PST by Woodman ("One of the most striking differences between a cat and a lie is that a cat has only nine lives." PW)
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To: Woodman

The max range of one of those was only slightly outside the wounding range of the bomb. A bad shot would probably take out the launcher.

It was supposedly a ‘last stand’ weapon. Hence the name Davy Crockett.


29 posted on 11/10/2007 1:39:40 PM PST by varyouga ("Rove is some mysterious God of politics & mind control" - DU 10-24-06)
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To: zencat

Oh God, Joe Farah must be having heart palpitations, he just lost 1/3 of his income!

And that “Russian Colonel” that Farah developed into a media talking head, that guy is totally screwed out of a job now!


30 posted on 11/10/2007 1:41:31 PM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: Drango

Yes, that is what concerns me.

Not a suitcase nuke or an iPod nuke but a container nuke in an American port city or along a railroad track in middle America.


31 posted on 11/10/2007 1:43:49 PM PST by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: JerseyHighlander

The last I heard Joe Farah was out hunting pterodactyls.


32 posted on 11/10/2007 1:46:05 PM PST by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: Woodman

Here’s one test:

http://www.sonicbomb.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=56


33 posted on 11/10/2007 1:47:51 PM PST by dadgum
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To: ASA Vet

That Morgan Freedman movie had it right. The thing had to be shipped in in a packing crate. It’s the shielding. Hard enough to reduce it to the size of an artillery shell.


34 posted on 11/10/2007 1:48:43 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: trumandogz
This is from the Scott Pelley interview with George Tenet on 60 Minutes:

"And we don't torture people. Now, listen to me. Now, listen to me. I want you to listen to me," Tenet says. "The context is it's post-9/11. I've got reports of nuclear weapons in New York City, apartment buildings that are gonna be blown up, planes that are gonna fly into airports all over again. Plot lines that I don't know – I don't know what's going on inside the United States. And I'm struggling to find out where the next disaster is going to occur. Everybody forgets one central context of what we lived through. The palpable fear that we felt on the basis of the fact that there was so much we did not know."

Like him or not, the CIA was worried about them post 9/11 leads me to believe they are a real threat. It's the leftist line to put on this faux bravado that the "threat is overblown, " just like the Soviet threat supposedly was in the cold war.

35 posted on 11/10/2007 1:51:12 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: gusopol3

Again I fear that if a Nuke does come in it will be packaged in a shipping container on since NYC is a port city it could arrive there.


36 posted on 11/10/2007 1:56:47 PM PST by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: zencat
But government experts and intelligence officials say such a threat gets vastly more attention than it deserves.

Are these the same government experts that are trying to convince us of the dangers of second hand smoke and global warming?

37 posted on 11/10/2007 1:57:41 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Dumpster Baby

Read the article — it specifically discusses how off the mark Weldon’s “suitcase nuke” is.


38 posted on 11/10/2007 1:59:15 PM PST by tyke
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To: zencat

“a true suitcase nuke would be highly complex to produce, require significant upkeep and cost a small fortune.”

Exactly the kind of thing the KGB was good at...

Kurt Weldon showed a mockup of a suitcase nuke during a hearing on Russian espionage chaired by Rep. Dan Burton (R-Indiana), on 24 January 2000.

Not a lot is known about these things, but the Russians were scared shiiteless in the mid-90’s that the Chechens may have gotten ahold of one.

Alexander Lebed, a former Soviet General, tried to account for them all, but no one really has any idea how many were produced. Estimates run from 85-500.

The Center for Nonproliferation Studies states that no alive really has an idea of how many of these were produced, if any, and what condition they may be in...

In short, don’t dismiss them out of hand, but don’t hit the panic switch yet, either...


39 posted on 11/10/2007 1:59:15 PM PST by tcrlaf (You can lead a Liberal to LOGIC, but you can't make it THINK)
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To: ThomasThomas

Now that’s funny.


40 posted on 11/10/2007 1:59:39 PM PST by tyke
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