Wow, that woman looks great for 95. She looks better than Pelosi or Clinton. LOL I would NEVER have guessed her age, had they not told us.
Posted on 11/10/2007 7:37:24 AM PST by COUNTrecount
I knew a man when I was a little kid who died of some simple thing, laryngitis or appendicitus or some such, because he was a Christian Scientist. Left three wonderful little boys and a wife behind. My dad was his friend at the time; he's never forgiven the guy or the CSC.
Now, scientology -- I've heard some really bizarre stuff about them and known some pretty weird Scientologists.
Yet come on -- Tom Cruise was talking solid sense about all the psychotropic drugs, as far as I'm concerned, and it has zero to do with Scientology. It has everything to do with gullible people falling for everything the medical establishment tells themand thinking they have a government-given right to force others into believing it too on the premise that not to go with it is criminally irresponsible. It's a moral issue, you see.
I can agree in one area with both cults: one should have the right to refuse medical treatment. It may be a stupid decision some times -- but other times it will be a wise decision. Wise or stupid, it is self-evident that the right lies squarely with the individual and God. As societies move away from religion, they put their faith in flawed men. Doctors, scientists, and health care providers are not gods, but I can see a frame of mind out there that could be willingly duped into passing federal laws to probitit anyone from refusing things like MRI scans or accepted treatments for perceived ailments. John Edwards comes to mind, with his proposal that all Americans be legally reqiured to see a doctor once a year. When that doctor says he finds some potential symptom of ailment and the patient refuses to submit to his prescribed treatment, what then? Must we all submit? (Islamic medicine!)
Nanny-staters in the form of "good" benevolent government are very, very dangerous. The government has ZERO business in individual health choices, and the most innocent-looking, well-meaning steps to involve it now will CERTAINLY result in government tyranny. To be honest with you, I have very high on my list of issues what I believe should be a Republican platform position of fighting and preventing nationalized medicine and health care.
Too bad we don't have any politicians like this.
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In England, the Puritans were persecuted. Choosing not to vote for a candidate on the basis of religion is not persecution. Americans may choose to vote or not vote for a candidate for any reason at all. That's freedom.
Well, family can be embarrassing. But oh well. Nobody is electing his mother.
On another topic, Mrs. McCain looks like she could go another 95 years. Note her excellent posture. Very rare among 95 year olds, or among 16 year olds for that matter.
The few 90 years olds I have been around are a hoot...at a certain point you just get to say whats on your mind. Literally.
Wow. I’d pack heat before I entered a room alone with Mom. Makes Johnny look serene.
“Pandering for the “depends vote”?”
At last someone on our side is making a real effort to win over the dead voters. :)
look at her knees, they don’t even look BONY! i hope i live long enough, and retain my mental faculties sufficiently, to say whatever comes into my mind!! LOL!
Wow, that woman looks great for 95. She looks better than Pelosi or Clinton. LOL I would NEVER have guessed her age, had they not told us.
“The cultural emphasis in the Mormon Church that equates financial success with spiritual success”
Being far from Utah I can’t speak to the culture, but as far as Mormon doctrines go, members are taught to be honest and honorable, and nothing in our doctrine links financial success to spiritual success
“and an unquestioning allegiance to authority figures”
So why then did Utah so soundly vote against re-electing Clinton? Again this is a great distortion. Members are told not to blindly accept a church leader is called of God but to confirm that by going to God about it prayer themselves. Even after that they are not obligated to give any measure of ‘allegiance’ to that leader outside of the duties of that leader’s calling. Nothing in our doctrine supports any kind of unquestioning allegiance of authority figures outside the church either.
My impression from afar is that Utah Mormons can be a little naive and too trusting, and so they make good targets for wolves in sheep’s clothing out to fleece a few lambs.
I’m no fan of mccain, but I recall my 85 yr old grandmother saying the most embarrassing things in the most ininappropriate places. That being said...which genius on the mccain camp thought putting his 95 yr old mom on tv with him was a good idea?
LMAO
Another good read on the subject is the story of gymnast Shannon Miller from early childhood through her Olympic medals, written by her mother. Shannon and her mother were clearly devout Christian scientists but not fanatics by a long shot. Her father was not a Christian Scientist. When she was already competing at the world class level, Shannon got a bone chip in her elbow she and her mother consulted their Christian Science practitioner, who had her own advice for a Christian Science approach, but also told Shannon that there was nothing wrong with following her doctors’ and father’s advice to have surgery, and that doing so didn’t mean she lacked faith and wouldn’t diminish any effectiveness that the prayer approach would have. She had the surgery.
Scientology is first and foremost and organized crime syndicate, no two ways about it.
And I’m right there with you on how high a priority fighting socialized medicine needs to be. The Canadians and Brits who can’t afford private care after they’ve been taxed to fund their socialized medicine systems would often be much better off pursuing Christian Science healing than what they get from the NHS.
My wife died on May 14th after spending the last month of her life in a CS “nursing home.” The only “nursing” involved is Pay Per Prayer and the more prayers you want from the paid prayer the more each day costs. The nursing home cost $130 per day with minimum prayer but she signed up for the maximum or best prayers and paid $485 per day.
I’m sorry to hear it, Pos. Very sad. I’ll pray ... er, wish for blessings on you ... of courage and love and friendship, and won’t charge you anything at all. God bless and keep you strong.
I’m sorry to hear of your recent loss of your wife. It does sound to me, though, as if this is the kind of “nursing” care she wanted, and hopefully it was a great comfort to her.
The average daily charge for nursing home care in the US is $206, though it varies tremendously by location and also by the quality of the atmosphere/staff. Many provide only the most cursory care — patients don’t get their soiled bedclothes changed for hours after it’s needed, etc., and most of the staff don’t give a hoot how miserable the patients are. If your wife’s extra payment was going toward having someone actually praying with her, keeping her company, etc. for additional hours every day, then the price is comparable to the high end nursing homes where very personalized care is provided and individual interests and desired catered to on a level not found in the average and below average cost nursing homes. She probably got her money’s worth, even if the prayer wasn’t efficacious from a medical standpoint.
I hope you can heal, and eventually be at peace with your wife’s choice.
That is because a lot of people see Mormonism as a business. A big business. Other people see a massive conspiracy with the LDS.
SEE this for example.
http://www.amazon.com/review/product/158275036X/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt/002-1704879-5329624?%5Fencoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
I agree with you here...
I put up that post to make the point that Mormons have warts just like any other group.
I completely understand you here.
In fact, I remember watching a program on serial killers and one topic was why so many prolific ones came from Washington state like Ted Bundy or the Green River Killer. Since I moved out here, I can tell you why... Most people out here are very trusting and believe in the best of others. For psychopaths, it is like being a kid in the candy store...
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