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Slanders Unworthy of a Gentleman: A Base Attack on Wayne Grudem and Mitt Romney
The Scriptorum Daily, Torrey Honors Institue ^ | 11/03/07 | John Mark Reynolds

Posted on 11/09/2007 11:13:13 AM PST by Reaganesque

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To: George W. Bush; libbylu; redgirlinabluestate

81 posted on 11/09/2007 6:22:46 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah (Romney Republican)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

Thanks, the pic warms my heart.


82 posted on 11/09/2007 6:27:36 PM PST by libbylu (Mitt 2008)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
it will merely allow Mitt to reimburse his loan to his
campaign. You will put money in Mitt’s pocket - since
he doesn’t believe in himself enough to actually make
a real donation to his own campaign.


I think you are wrong. He has both donated his own money and given loans. And he promis4es to serve without pay.
83 posted on 11/09/2007 6:31:13 PM PST by broncobilly
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To: broncobilly

bronco,

Yet, your contributions will reimburse him for his
loans. Your money will go into Mitt’s pocket.

ampu


84 posted on 11/09/2007 6:49:22 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (j)
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To: lonevoice
As for the disruptors, once in awhile I just post this picture and then go on my way.

Spoken like a true Romulan!

85 posted on 11/09/2007 8:30:29 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: broncobilly
Romney’s religion believes in ... lots of OTHER stufff that's to SACRED to mention.


86 posted on 11/09/2007 8:33:48 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Romneyfor President2008
People associate candidates with the people around them.

Hold this thought

87 posted on 11/09/2007 8:34:51 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: libbylu
Mitt seems to be a very very moral person without the insanity of a carter.

I don’t care how many planets he populates in his next life.

Alrighty then...

88 posted on 11/09/2007 8:37:42 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: libbylu
...no one is going to read that crap...

What!!??

How DARE you call our precious creed CRAP!!!!

Those 13 things are what we LIVE by!!

--MormonDude(and so forth)

89 posted on 11/09/2007 8:39:33 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: JCEccles
 
 I don't recall any special dispensation in the New Testament to lie on behalf of the Body of Christ for any reason.
 
Alrighty then!!

 

THE

DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS

OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS

SECTION 71

Revelation given to Joseph Smith the Prophet and Sidney Rigdon, at Hiram, Ohio, December 1, 1831. HC 1: 238–239. The Prophet had continued to translate the Bible with Sidney Rigdon as his scribe until this revelation was received, at which time it was temporarily laid aside so as to enable them to fulfill the instruction given herein. The brethren were to go forth to preach in order to allay the unfriendly feelings that had developed against the Church as a result of the publication of some newspaper articles by Ezra Booth, who had apostatized.

1–4, Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon are sent forth to proclaim the gospel; 5–11, Enemies of the saints shall be confounded.

 

1 Behold, thus saith the Lord unto you my servants Joseph Smith, Jun., and Sidney Rigdon, that the time has verily come that it is necessary and expedient in me that you should open your mouths in proclaiming my gospel, the things of the kingdom, expounding the mysteries thereof out of the scriptures, according to that portion of Spirit and power which shall be given unto you, even as I will.

2 Verily I say unto you, proclaim unto the world in the regions round about, and in the church also, for the space of a season, even until it shall be made known unto you.

3 Verily this is a mission for a season, which I give unto you.

4 Wherefore, labor ye in my vineyard. Call upon the inhabitants of the earth, and bear record, and prepare the way for the commandments and revelations which are to come.

5 Now, behold this is wisdom; whoso readeth, let him understand and receive also;

6 For unto him that receiveth it shall be given more abundantly, even power.

7 Wherefore, confound your enemies; call upon them to meet you both in public and in private; and inasmuch as ye are faithful their shame shall be made manifest.

8 Wherefore, let them bring forth their strong reasons against the Lord.

9 Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you—there is no weapon that is formed against you shall prosper;

10 And if any man lift his voice against you he shall be confounded in mine own due time.

11 Wherefore, keep my commandments; they are true and faithful. Even so. Amen.


90 posted on 11/09/2007 8:41:00 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

91 posted on 11/09/2007 8:44:20 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: All

I love it! The Mitt haters are stalling and there is nothing they can do about it! They are just the same number of people posting the same garbage over and over again. Whereas, the Mitt supporters are starting to grow. These people look at Mitt’s record warts and all and find some very positive traits and yes, they also find that his record has many conservative accomplishments during his tenure as Governor. And that attracts them to his prospects as a candidate.

LOL, Look for more desperation tactics from the Mitt-a-phobes.

P.S. In regards to the religion issue, if Mitt can win over Bob Jones III then he can win over mostly anyone. The Clinton goons will doom their chances, because it has backfired in the past and it will royally backfire this time.


92 posted on 11/09/2007 10:38:21 PM PST by nowandlater
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To: redgirlinabluestate; Canticle_of_Deborah
You Mittsters are such amateurs! LOL. How about this move to propagandize all the postal employees (a federal mail service is constitutionally mandated) and all the folks who work at companies that send you junk mail:

If you're like me, you get a lot of junk mail. Much of it comes with postage-paid return envelopes, like the kind shown above. Rather than just throwing them away, or recycling them, put it to good use with a Ron Paul rubber stamp.

More ideas:

While you're at it, throw in a Liberty Card, or a Founding Fathers flier explaining who Ron Paul is. AT LEAST two other people will see it - the US Mail carrier, and the person who opens the envelope, but other hands will handle it as well. This is a very inexpensive way of getting Ron Paul's name and image out in front of the public.

While some people might feel bad about using these free post-paid envelopes to promote Ron Paul, I personally don't. After all, I never asked the company to try to sell me something. Although I'm rarely interested in what these real-world spammers have to offer, I figure they might be interested in what I have to offer. Freedom and liberty!

However, if you feel bad about it, then drop a note into the envelope saying, "Please remove me from your mailing list" along with the Liberty Card, then go ahead and stamp the outside. I think that is a very legitimate use for their pre-paid envelopes.

Also - this stamp is not only for junk mail. I also stamp all of my bills - gas bill, electricity bill, credit card bills - and throw some info about Dr. Paul in there as well. It is a way of communicating directly with other working class Americans. And those workers talk to one another: "Hey, I got another one of these cards. Who is this guy? I'm going to go find out."

And with the holidays coming up, be sure to stamp all of your cards and packages, too. And don't forget your paper money. We've got to do whatever we can to get the word out. It is the best $13.87 (including shipping) that you'll spend. Make a statement without saying a word.


So instead of throwing away that junk mail, use it for your candidate. And maybe the spammers will decide you don't even deserve to be on their little spam list. LOL. After all, the tree has already been killed so it could be used to spam you. Why just let it go to waste?

We've got a million of these tactics. I'm surprised the other campaigns don't spy on us to steal these tactics. You know, lots of little old ladies get spammed to death. They just love this way of spamming the spammers back with their own spam.
93 posted on 11/10/2007 2:49:11 AM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: redgirlinabluestate

This is also clever: 44 for the 44th President

What, are you guys a bunch of cheapskates or something?

Ron Paul is worth asking $100 for. Why don't you think Mitt is? And just because he's rich isn't a good enough excuse. Even Mitt can't afford to run an entire primary and general election campaign from his own pocket.

Mitt should do the live fundraising ticker too like Ron Paul has. It creates excitement among the supporters. They compete with each other, they snapshot their names going across the donation banner, they post snapshots showing it online, they challenge each other, they post their donation confirmation numbers, they feed off one another's excitement for Dr. Paul.

Surely you don't think Mitt is only worth some puny $44, do you? You know, a lot of RP supporters who can't afford the big money are committed to donating $17.76 (Declaration) or $17.89 (Constitution) every week from their paychecks. Some of these are retirees and college students or blue collar folk. So why is Mitt only worth some puny one-time $44 donation?

Raise the ante, do the forums and the Meetups, do the live fundraising thing. It helps build the grassroots.

Just because he's rich doesn't mean Mitt should be embarrassed to ask for money.

You should look for themes for your base supporters along with graphics and slogans and other little side efforts that they can fund through ChipIns and such. We had a tussle with Laura Ingraham at the Iowa straw poll. So after she said some nice things about Ron Paul on her show, RP supporters organized a flowerbomb for her and sent a polite CPA in a suit to present it to her at one of her book signings. We all enjoyed that, including Laura. Again, it's participation that unites people.

We even have an anarcho-libertarian Flowerbomber graphic for these things. LOL. Not so sure that buttoned-down pin-striped wing-tipped Mitt could use this kind of thing so well but you'll find your grassroots can be very very creative if you give them a chance.

Anyway, I'm not trying to deface your Mitt thread with RP stuff. But you should be looking at this kind of stuff to help your guy, to create some self-starter grassroots excitement. You know, Mitt and Ann would just love it. Anyway, that's how they strike me. You know, our grassroots is what gives Ron Paul the energy and the inspiration to run his campaign. He feeds off the excitement of the crowds, it inspires him, it pushes his campaign forward. Mitt could do the same things. For that matter, all the GOP candidates should be doing this because, in 2008, we're really going to need grassroots organization and excitement if we hope to win.

94 posted on 11/10/2007 4:06:54 AM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: Petronski
I could go on and on and on.

"Could?" You already do.

Got any links to all those "pole-dancing posts" and "vulgar songs" about the Thompsons and "beanie weenie" (whoever that is) by Romney supporters? Or are you going to just lob a dubious charge, and say, "Look for it!"

95 posted on 11/10/2007 4:31:50 AM PST by L.N. Smithee (From Slick Willie to Slick Hill'y in Eight Years?!)
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To: Petronski
Then there are the pole-dancing posts involving Thompson’s wife.

Can you post pix for us? I need to judge these for myself. LOL.
96 posted on 11/10/2007 5:04:19 AM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: George W. Bush
Anyway, I'm not trying to deface your Mitt thread with RP stuff.

Just think what you could have done if you had tried.

97 posted on 11/10/2007 5:15:05 AM PST by L.N. Smithee (From Slick Willie to Slick Hill'y in Eight Years?!)
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To: L.N. Smithee
Puh-leeeze.

Unlike real trolls, I waited until after the heat for this thread had run its course and posted only to two strong Mitt supporters.

I'm on the Mittlist. I post, generally, 90% positive towards Mitt, the other 10% being observations of where he's weak or said something I disagree with. I also bash the Mormon-bashers because this is politics, not theology.

I didn't deface this (now mostly dead) thread. I was making a genuinely positive suggestion for Mitt (as well as for the other GOP candidates not named Giuiliani).
98 posted on 11/10/2007 5:20:30 AM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: broncobilly; RobRoy; MHGinTN; Elsie; aMorePerfectUnion
Rob Roy: What a candidate believes about the most important question put before man matters more than anything else about him.

broncobilly: And what is that important question? How steel was made and when it was first made? And how would that negatively affect a possible Romney administration?

Rob Roy: You are being intentionally obtuse.

broncobilly: I am not being obtuse. I am asking you simple questions based on your post, and you will not answer them.

He can't, broncobilly. At least, guys like him can't without resorting to wacky devices like re-casting Omen III with Romney in the role of Damien. Hey, MHG and Elsie: IT'S A MOVIE!

And Rob Roy: It's "the most important question put before man," but you don't wanna repeat it when asked. Nice practice of the art of projection. You should work for the DNC!

I've been through this nonsense before with a Freeper pinged to this thread to back up Rob Roy. When I constantly challenged a More Perfect Union to explain why he couldn't vote for Romney -- even if he couldn't credibly be called a RINO -- he wrote the following:


Even if Mitt were not a Rhino. If he were not friendly toward gay unions. If he were not a man who seemingly violated his own standards by not speaking out about Marriott porn. If he were actually a conservative and not having POTUS conversions about prolife issues. I would still not vote for him strictly because he is a member of a cult.
But before that, he wrote this (bold mine):

For your benefit and for the hundredth time... I will not vote to raise a cultist to the most powerful office in the land. The reason is that I do not want to contribute to lending legitimacy to a cult. Nor do I wish to contribute to leading people to a Christless eternity by giving them the impression through that elevated cultist that his or her false religion is legitimate. I don’t know how to be any more clear for you. That’s it.
My reply was:

Regarding your "Christless eternity" reference...does that mean you would never vote for a religious Jew either?
He didn't like that.

You are full of bile FRiend.

But to answer your question, I would vote for a Jew. Thanks for asking.


My last word was this:

Come on, pal -- after saying you didn't want your vote "to contribute to leading people to a Christless eternity" by voting for someone who practices false Christianity, did you really think you were going to slide away without answering as to whether that standard applied to a candidate who doesn't even believe Christ was Messiah?

99 posted on 11/10/2007 6:02:18 AM PST by L.N. Smithee (From Slick Willie to Slick Hill'y in Eight Years?!)
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To: L.N. Smithee; broncobilly; RobRoy; MHGinTN; Elsie; aMorePerfectUnion
He can't, broncobilly. At least, guys like him can't without resorting to wacky devices like re-casting Omen III with Romney in the role of Damien. Hey, MHG and Elsie: IT'S A MOVIE!

Hmmm...if they really wanted to have some fun, they could pull out their Exorcist DVDs, rip the audio track, and use that to remake Mitt's YouTube videos with background movie from The Exorcist movies.

They could open with Mitt, speaking in the foreground over the theme Tubular Bells.

Then, as the video moves to Mitt explaining his detailed policy positions, they could use that Choir From Hell music from the scary parts of the movie.

After inserting the soundtracks, upload it back to YouTube, then post links on all the other candidate threads here at FR and especially on all the big forums around the internet to urge them all to go view it then give it a five-star ranking to push it up in the YouTube rankings, thus making it the single most popular Mitt Romney YouTube video.

Anyway, those are just my creative little thoughts on your seminal notion. You know us RP folks, always trying to be helpful to everyone. LOL.

More seriously, L.N., you really should have more confidence in the voters. Mitt does. I still don't believe they are genuinely swayed by religious bigotry. Have more confidence in your fellow-citizens and your candidate and don't take these trolls so seriously, even on a hostile forum like FR.
100 posted on 11/10/2007 6:48:55 AM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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