Slanders Unworthy of a Gentleman: A Base Attack on Wayne Grudem and Mitt Romney

The Scriptorum Daily, Torrey Honors Institue ^ | 11/03/07 | John Mark Reynolds

[MHGinTN]

"If you want to bash Romney the servant of the false prophet, use his politics to bash him. There is ample fodder there to work with if you want to disagree with him in that area." It is important now and it will be important in that day ... but since that is regarding actual Christian teaching on end times, I wouldn't expect a Mormon to have a clue. You know the lies and fabrications of Smith indict him and his fabricated religion. If the religion is a total fabricationa nd the candidate running for the highest power office in America is a high-offcie holding member of that false religion, it matters. To get Romney to act in some fashion the antichrist wants carried out would be a simple matter of making a showy visit to the current 'prophet/revelator' of Mormonism and perhaps a quicky to Mittster, and wham, you have the antichrist directing a false prophet and achieving world domination via a 'nice, claencut family man Mormon.' It matters! And it is too close to the truth of what could happen with a devout Mormon in office that you apologists will try to scoff at the idea!

[Elsie]

Inhale!!!

[Elsie]

I’ve seen that movie!

[greyfoxx39]

charges of Socialist, Communist, Stalinist, dictator, destroyer, deceiver and worse that have been coming from a small group here on FR.

You forgot MY favorite, "used-car salesman".

[lonevoice]

After checking into their evidence in several respects, and finding them as willfully misleading as Mr. Jackson's, I have ceased to give anything they say much credence. Too much of what they claim has proved to be out of context snippets, half truths, misinterpretations and outright lies, repeated ad nauseum.

You both make very lucid, rational points. This thread is destined to become ugly and I probably won't be returning to read the comments. As for the disruptors, once in awhile I just post this picture and then go on my way. I'm an evangelical Christian, and they embarrass me.

[RobRoy]

>>And what is that important question? How steel was made and when it was first made?
And how would that negatively affect a possible Romney administration?<<

You are being intentionally obtuse.

[broncobilly]

It matters.

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Yes, It matters. But let him spell out why.
That makes the difference.
Let me spell out why I think Romney’s religion might matter:
1) Romney’s religion believes in God, and therefore that man’e sovereignty comes from God, not government.
2) Romney’s religion believes Christ is divine, and therefore believes that Christian values are not negotiable.
3) Romney’s religion believes that the Constitution was inspired by God, and therefore should in no way be subverted.
4) Romney’s religion believes that every child is a “child of God,” and therefore should be protected.
5) Romney’s religion believes in honoring and sustaining the law, when that law respects our freedom, and that where laws are unjust they should be changed by constitutional means.
6) Romney’s religion believes individuals should be self sufficient and not take government dole, but should help the unfortunate.
7) Romney’s religion believes in the importance of education.
And so on. . . .
Now whether or not Romney lives up to those ideals, that is another question. At least we know what direction Romney’s religion will be pushing him.
Now people can vote for anyone they want and for whatever reason they want.
However, if they go to anti-Mormon web sites and read a lot of crap about Mormonism and base their vote on that, that is very unfortunate.
Romney has many things to answer for, his evolving positions and the way he governed in MA, for example. However, I don’t think the history of steel making is of any relevance. And I don’t think his religion will be a negative factor in his government service (except that it may be something that bigots will continue to bash him about, depleting his effectiveness as a leader. But that is a negative at their fault, not his.)

[MHGinTN]

You are being slandered by Romney fanatical Mormons, joined by clueless claimers to be ‘evangelical Christians’ who somehow believe serving The Lord Christ in this age of degeneracy and scoffing at Salvation is supposed to be a ‘sit on the sidelines and don’t rock satan’s boat’ exercise. Frankly, it is a most telling sifting of wheat and chaff that is happening right before our eyes. Imagine what the separation of wheat and tares will look like!

[MHGinTN]

"4) Romney’s religion believes that every child is a “child of God,” and therefore should be protected." It's a shame ol' Mitt and his mom didn't believe this until Mitt very recently tried to hoodwink Conservative Christians into believing he has been prolife during his service to the abortion industry with healthcare programs he allowed to include public pay for abortions on demand in Mass.

Romney support for abortion videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Elx3UWmyAY4

In his own words, a 35 year history of pro-choice!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_w9pquznG4

[Romneyfor President2008]

Republicans can get surly with candidates other than their favorite at this stage of the primary season.

No kidding. I think the Fred supporters need to be a little more dignified if they want people to vote for their candidate. People associate candidates with the people around them. If you show no class, people will think your candidate has no class either. Romney supporters need to be dignified and show class all the time against the meanest opposition. People will look at our conduct when evaluating Romney.

[trisham]

You’ve been here for three entire days. Wow.

[greyfoxx39]

Romney's religion also believes THIS:

First Presidency Doctrinal Statements
It is not only his discourses that form the basis of Joseph F. Smith's doctrinal legacy. During his presidency, several important documents signed by the First Presidency and/or the Twelve were issued that still serve as a touch stone of Latter-day Saint belief. One such document, The Origin of Man: By the First Presidency, was issued in 1909 during a time when evolution was gaining attention in the academic world.

They wrote:

"In presenting the statement that follows we are not conscious of putting forth anything essentially new; neither is it our desire so to do. Truth is what we wish to present, and truth--eternal truth--is fundamentally old. A restatement of the original attitude of the Church relative to this matter is all that will be attempted here. To tell the truth as God has revealed it, and commend it to the acceptance of those who need to conform their opinions thereto, is the sole purpose of this presentation. 'God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.' In these plain and pointed words the inspired author of the book of Genesis made known to the world the truth concerning the origin of the human family."

They added:

"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, basing its belief on divine revelation, ancient and modern, proclaims man to be the direct and lineal offspring of Deity. God Himself is an exalted man, perfected, enthroned, and supreme. By His almighty power He organized the earth, and all that it contains, from spirit and element, which exist co-eternally with Himself. He formed every plant that grows, and every animal that breathes, each after its own kind, spiritually and temporally--'that which is spiritual being in the likeness of that which is temporal, and that which is temporal in the likeness of that which is spiritual.' He made the tadpole and the ape, the lion and the elephant but He did not make them in His own image, nor endow them with Godlike reason and intelligence. Nevertheless, the whole animal creation will be perfected and perpetuated in the Hereafter, each class in its 'distinct order or sphere,' and will enjoy 'eternal felicity.' . . . Man is the child of God, formed in the divine image and endowed with divine attributes, and even as the infant son of an earthly father and mother is capable in due time of becoming a man, so the undeveloped offspring of celestial parentage is capable, by experience through ages and aeons, of evolving into a God."

http://www.meridianmagazine.com/biography/000128jfsdoctrinelegacy.html AND this:

 

 

 

 

The Articles of Faith
of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

 

1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
   
2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
   
3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
   
4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
   
5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
   
6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
   
7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
   
8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
   
9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
   
10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
    
11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
    
12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
    
13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith

AND, Romney took this vow in the LDS temple:

You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the Law of Consecration as contained in the Doctrine and Covenants, in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the Kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion

[broncobilly]

I am not being obtuse. I am asking you simple questions based on your post, and you will not answer them.

[FastCoyote]

“And what is that important question? How steel was made and when it was first made?
And how would that negatively affect a possible Romney administration? “

It affects the question of how gullible he is.

Also, if he is the perfect candidate and on the path to Godhood, how far will he have to go to defend his own perfection? When confronted with wrong ideas, will he bury his head and stonewall? I notice he things Romneycare is near perfect.

[FastCoyote]

“Grudem might be able to practice his theology while working with those who do not . . . as sensible Christians have always done.”

That’s why I’m a Christian bouncer in a titty bar! Cause I’m sensible when it comes to that religion thingy!

[broncobilly]

So Mormons believe that man is a “child of God” and can become more like his Father in Heaven.
That is in the Bible.
What is your point? Would this negatively affect a Romney administration?
What it means to me is that Mormons are told that they are meant for higher things and that they should not compromise their possibilities by immoral behavior. Like Jesus said, “Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father in Heaven is perfect.” Sounds like a theological position with a positive incentive to me. It also sounds like a theological position that promotes a feeling of closeness between a person and God. Angain, what is your point?

[broncobilly]

That’s why I’m a Christian bouncer in a titty bar! Cause I’m sensible when it comes to that religion thingy!

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Now we are getting somewhere. It is not Mormonism you are bent out of shape over, it is Christianity and religion itself that you don’t like.
I wonder sometimes how many of the people posting on FR are not Republicans or conservatives, but democrat trolls trying to spread contention and destroy candidates.

[George W. Bush]

You’ve been here for three entire days. Wow.

You seem to be feeling threatened at being associated as part of a crowd of religious bigots.

Have you considered how playing your bigot card actually harms your own candidate?

Just curious.

[greyfoxx39]

So Mormons believe that man is a “child of God” and can become more like his Father in Heaven. That is in the Bible. What is your point?

Only if having a President who believes he WILL become a god of his own planet would be a negative...Nice try, anyway.

From my earlier post, mormon belief is:

God Himself is an exalted man, perfected, enthroned, and supreme. NOT, "can BECOME more like his Father in Heaven".

[MHGinTN]

Mormons and Mittiacs trying to hush up opposition to Romney based on the negatives inherent in his religiious affiliation are the ones spittling the term ‘bigot’ all over FreeRepublic. And you know that but because you are basically ‘un honest’ you try to mischaracterize. And you cannot comprehend how this at FR is mild compared to the dismantling of Romney the DNC goon squad will do based on the heresies in Mormonism. The Romney operators don’t appear to care that he will be a dead stinking albatross around the Republican party neck with his liberal history, his compromises with liberalism at every point of public policy, and his flip=flopping as a sign of no basic integrity of values.