Slanders Unworthy of a Gentleman: A Base Attack on Wayne Grudem and Mitt Romney

The Scriptorum Daily, Torrey Honors Institue ^ | 11/03/07 | John Mark Reynolds

[George W. Bush]

Gregg reminds me of some of the more unhinged posters on FR who suffer from severe cases of MRDS (Mitt Romney Derangement Syndrome).

I think he is one of the more unhinged posters on FR.

Of course, all the candidate threads get trolled. Only one candidate has moderator protection from gross libels and attempts to just ruin a thread. And even the protected candidate gets some trashings.

It's readily recognizable that many posters enter these candidate threads simply to disrupt them.

They are disruptors, by habit and intent. And they should be labeled as such. You can see several of them here on the thread right now.

[restornu]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1923179/posts

[esarlls3]

This is one of my favorites: ...

And here is another source for comparison: Copper, Bronze, and Brass [in the Book of Mormon]

As others have stated though, we're looking for a chief executive, not a chief pastor.

For accurate information on LDS doctrine and why Mormons believe they are Christian, here are links to the teachings of two LDS Church leaders from the LDS General Conference on October 6-7, 2007:

The Only True God and Jesus Christ Whom He Hath Sent, by LDS Apostle Jeffrey R. Holland: HTML Text, MP3 Audio, or WMV Video.

The Stone Cut Out of the Mountain, by LDS Church President Gordon B. Hinckley: HTML Text, MP3 Audio, or WMV Video.

Other formats and languages and other LDS General Conference talks are available here.

There will be many who will share their opinions about LDS doctrine from a non-LDS (or anti-LDS) perspective. If you have questions after reviewing any of this, Mormon.org offers the ability to ask questions by email or anonymous online chat.

BTW, Romney is not at the top of my list, Hunter is. I'm still looking at Romney & Thompson. I have no interest in the rest.

[LexBaird]

They are disruptors, by habit and intent. And they should be labeled as such. You can see several of them here on the thread right now.

After checking into their evidence in several respects, and finding them as willfully misleading as Mr. Jackson's, I have ceased to give anything they say much credence. Too much of what they claim has proved to be out of context snippets, half truths, misinterpretations and outright lies, repeated ad nauseum.

Unfortunately, that mistrust of them as honest sources also includes their defenses of their own candidate - something I have had to fight against in myself in order to give honest consideration to Thompson or Hunter or others. The candidates are ill served by these minions. I class them with the same disdain I used to reserve for Begala and Carville, whose methods these supposed conservatives have adopted wholesale.

[RobRoy]

Yes, the same apologetics can be found on the ex-mormon sites.

Seeing as it is very important (for obvious reasons) it is also very controversial.

It’s also not about iron.

[broncobilly]

This is one of my favorites:

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And this is the kind of crap I wish we could do without.
Not knowing much about the history of steel, I turned to my “Zondervan Encyclopedia of the Bible,” and found that making steel was common in the Middle East as early as !000 B.C. It wasn’t generated by the complicated process you are talking about. It was discovered by accident and thereafter produced the same way, by reheating wrought iron in a charcoal forge. The necessary carbon was absorbed from the charcoal.
Ask the other candidates if they believe Lot’s wife was turned into a pillar of salt, and then come back and we will have the basis for a discussion.

[RobRoy]

You are setting fire to a straw man.

[restornu]

Are you an ex Mormon?

[broncobilly]

If it is straw man, you brought it up, not me.
You must have thought it was inportant to your point.
Besides that, you said it was your favorite. Why so?

[RobRoy]

Nope, I’ve been studying it off and on since 1980, when I almost became a member. Mostly off lately. Becoming an “expert” on Mormonism is not my life’s ambition.

I have several Mormon friends and was even in a rock cover band that was all Mormon except for me. One of the members and I talked quite a bit about the things we DO agree on.

Of course, the deity of Christ - which is the foundation upon which Christianity rests - is one we disagree on.

[Leisler]

There verily, will be no disparagement of St. Mitt, or thou arst a anti-Morman bigot?

Got it? Good, now be happy with happy Mitt and his happy happy Music Man happy plans.

[RobRoy]

What I brought up was much more complicated than your straw man. I ask the lurker to simply read your sources, my sources, any other info on the subject of metallurgy and let them choose for themself.

[RobRoy]

It was my favorite because it was interesting.

[broncobilly]

What I brought up was much more complicated than your straw man. I ask the lurker to simply read your sources, my sources, any other info on the subject of metallurgy and let them choose for themself. . . .
It was my favorite because it was interesting.

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Choose WHAT for themselves? This site is not about choosing a religion.
Let’s face it. You brought it up to bash Romney’s religion and thus indirectly bash him.
If you want to bash Romney, use his politics to bash him. There is ample fodder there to work with if you want to disagree with him in that area.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

This settles it.

As of today we can officially label Mitt as the frontrunner :-)

[RobRoy]

>>Choose WHAT for themselves? This site is not about choosing a religion.
Let’s face it. You brought it up to bash Romney’s religion and thus indirectly bash him.
If you want to bash Romney, use his politics to bash him. There is ample fodder there to work with if you want to disagree with him in that area.<<

Choose what to believe about the beliefs of one of the candidates. What a candidate believes about the most important question put before man matters more than anything else about him.

It matters.

I am not slamming him any more than I slam a liberal for what they think about the human condition. It defines what place they think the government has in the lives of its citizens. That is the foundation upon which all their beliefs and decisions stant.

It matters.

[broncobilly]

What a candidate believes about the most important question put before man matters more than anything else about him.

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And what is that important question? How steel was made and when it was first made?
And how would that negatively affect a possible Romney administration?

[greyfoxx39]

Choose what to believe about the beliefs of one of the candidates. What a candidate believes about the most important question put before man matters more than anything else about him.

It matters. I am not slamming him any more than I slam a liberal for what they think about the human condition. It defines what place they think the government has in the lives of its citizens. That is the foundation upon which all their beliefs and decisions stant.

It matters.

FIP ping to HATE thread for the day, from the Mittbots. Fire at will ;)

[TheLion]

Now we know where the sleaze machine around here gets some their material or vice versa.

Anyway, it was an excellent read....thanks!

[Greg F]

1 Kings 14

7 Go, tell Jeroboam that this is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: ‘I raised you up from among the people and made you a leader over my people Israel. 8 I tore the kingdom away from the house of David and gave it to you, but you have not been like my servant David, who kept my commands and followed me with all his heart, doing only what was right in my eyes. 9 You have done more evil than all who lived before you. You have made for yourself other gods, idols made of metal; you have provoked me to anger and thrust me behind your back.

10 “ ‘Because of this, I am going to bring disaster on the house of Jeroboam. I will cut off from Jeroboam every last male in Israel—slave or free. I will burn up the house of Jeroboam as one burns dung, until it is all gone. 11 Dogs will eat those belonging to Jeroboam who die in the city, and the birds of the air will feed on those who die in the country. The LORD has spoken!’

12 “As for you, go back home. When you set foot in your city, the boy will die. 13 All Israel will mourn for him and bury him. He is the only one belonging to Jeroboam who will be buried, because he is the only one in the house of Jeroboam in whom the LORD, the God of Israel, has found anything good.

14 “The LORD will raise up for himself a king over Israel who will cut off the family of Jeroboam. This is the day! What? Yes, even now. [a] 15 And the LORD will strike Israel, so that it will be like a reed swaying in the water. He will uproot Israel from this good land that he gave to their forefathers and scatter them beyond the River, [b] because they provoked the LORD to anger by making Asherah poles. [c] 16 And he will give Israel up because of the sins Jeroboam has committed and has caused Israel to commit.”