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To: wideawake

Malcolm Wrightson Nance:

Waterboarding is not a simulation. Unless you have been strapped down to the board, have endured the agonizing feeling of the water overpowering your gag reflex, and then feel your throat open and allow pint after pint of water to involuntarily fill your lungs, you will not know the meaning of the word.

Waterboarding is a controlled drowning that, in the American model, occurs under the watch of a doctor, a psychologist, an interrogator and a trained strap-in/strap-out team. It does not simulate drowning, as the lungs are actually filling with water. There is no way to simulate that. The victim is drowning. How much the victim is to drown depends on the desired result (in the form of answers to questions shouted into the victim’s face) and the obstinacy of the subject. A team doctor watches the quantity of water that is ingested and for the physiological signs which show when the drowning effect goes from painful psychological experience, to horrific suffocating punishment to the final death spiral.

Waterboarding is slow motion suffocation with enough time to contemplate the inevitability of black out and expiration - usually the person goes into hysterics on the board. For the uninitiated, it is horrifying to watch and if it goes wrong, it can lead straight to terminal hypoxia. When done right it is controlled death. Its lack of physical scarring allows the victim to recover and be threaten with its use again and again.

Nance is outraged at America’s loss of honour in condoning the use of such torture, and warns that President Bush’s policies have validated and legitimized this torture technique for foreign governments and terrorist groups:

There may never again be a chance that Americans will benefit from the shield of outrage and public opinion when our future enemy uses torture. Brutal interrogation, flash murder and extreme humiliation of American citizens, agents and members of the armed forces may now be guaranteed because we have mindlessly, but happily, broken the seal on the Pandora’s box of indignity, cruelty and hatred in the name of protecting America. To defeat Bin Laden many in this administration have openly embraced the methods of Hitler, Pinochet, Pol Pot, Galtieri and Saddam Hussein.

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318 posted on 11/09/2007 12:26:15 PM PST by kcvl
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To: kcvl

Maybe the TERRORISTS should think twice about KILLING us then, or else spill his guts!

319 posted on 11/09/2007 12:28:08 PM PST by kcvl
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To: kcvl
Brutal interrogation, flash murder and extreme humiliation of American citizens, agents and members of the armed forces may now be guaranteed because we have mindlessly, but happily, broken the seal on the Pandora’s box of indignity, cruelty and hatred in the name of protecting America. To defeat Bin Laden many in this administration have openly embraced the methods of Hitler, Pinochet, Pol Pot, Galtieri and Saddam Hussein.

Up until now I thought Nance was a normal person. This last paragraph puts him in Moonbat Land IMO. One of Conyer's Moonbats I suspect.


324 posted on 11/09/2007 1:24:28 PM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (NY Times: "fake but accurate")
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To: kcvl
Nance is outraged at America’s loss of honour in condoning the use of such torture...

I wonder how he sleeps as night. If he truly believes this is torture how can he subject US airmen & Spec Ops to this treatment? I think his 'outrage' is about 99% politically motivated and 100% synthetic.

If he were to resign from the US military I might be willing to take his position seriously.

328 posted on 11/09/2007 2:25:24 PM PST by Tallguy (Climate is what you plan for, weather is what you get.)
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