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We are not talking about "whatever it took..", we are talking about waterboarding, and not a random citizen, but a foreign enemy intent on killing YOU, ME and all of our friends and family.

I refer you to post #305. "Whatever It Takes" is not exactly a rare sentiment on this thread.

But it is not an argument you made, so you are right about that.

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There are a couple of arguments that are being made beyond the specifics of the story mentioned here. One, is the definition of torture and the other is the question of letting innocents die in the name of holding onto the highest possible moral ground or using methods that some are uncomfortable with to prevent that from happening.

As torture, to me waterboarding is borderline, but finding the higher moral ground is not. To me, the lives of the many innocents is worth more than the physical comfort of someone hellbent on killing them.

Someone offered the nuke in a city of 100,000 scenario and waterboarding the perp to find the nuke. Could you tell any of those 100,000 people that you've taken the higher moral ground and are going to let them die so you don't waterboard another human? I'm sure they'd all thank you and feel good about your conscience.