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Border Fence Could Cut Through Backyards
AP, via Breitbart.com ^ | 11-08-2007 | ALICIA A. CALDWELL

Posted on 11/09/2007 3:31:11 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner

GRANJENO, Texas (AP) - Founded 240 years ago, this sleepy Texas town along the Rio Grande has outlasted the Spanish, then the Mexicans and then the short-lived independent Republic of Texas. But it may not survive the U.S. government's effort to secure the Mexican border with a steel fence.

A map obtained by The Associated Press shows that the double- or triple-layer fence may be built as much as two miles from the river on the U.S. side of the Rio Grande, leaving parts of Granjeno and other nearby communities in a potential no-man's-land between the barrier and the water's edge.

Based on the map and what the residents have been told, the fence could run straight through houses and backyards. Some fear it could also cut farmers off from prime farmland close to the water.

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"We want to be safe, but it's just that this is not a good plan," said Cecilia Benavides, whose riverfront land in Roma, about 50 miles upriver from Granjeno, was granted to the family by the Spanish in "It gives Mexico the river and everything that's behind that wall. It doesn't make any sense to me."

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"Are we going to lose prime farmland because they are going to build a structure that's not going to work?" Salinas asked. "You're moving the border, basically two miles. You're giving it up to Mexico, and the U.S.-Mexico treaties say you are not supposed to do that."

Homeland Security documents on a department Web site say that "in some cases, secure gates will be constructed to allow land owners access to their private property near the Rio Grande." But the documents offer few details.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; borderfence; domain; eminent; immigrantlist; immigration; texas
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Border security fence vs. eminent domain...an irresistible force hitting an immovable object?
1 posted on 11/09/2007 3:31:13 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Too bad. Keep building.


2 posted on 11/09/2007 3:38:09 AM PST by weeder
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Since there is no question about the Government being able to take over land from landowners, I would rather it be condemned to build a border wall instead of a highway or lake.


3 posted on 11/09/2007 3:43:24 AM PST by seemoAR
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

I don’t care if it cuts through whatever, build the damn fence.


4 posted on 11/09/2007 3:43:48 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: weeder
Too bad. Keep building.

As long as it's not your backyard or farm being f'ed up, right?

Ceding 2 miles of territory and the Rio Grande to Mexico is criminal. Build the wall, yes, but build it on the freakin border.

5 posted on 11/09/2007 3:46:07 AM PST by tx_eggman ("Believing without loving turns the best of creeds into a weapon of oppression" Eugene Peterson)
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To: tx_eggman
Ceding 2 miles of territory and the Rio Grande to Mexico is criminal. Build the wall, yes, but build it on the freakin border.

But isn't the border the middle of the river?

6 posted on 11/09/2007 3:47:53 AM PST by jalisco555 ("The only thing we learn from history is that we never learn from history." Winston Churchill)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

“Homeland Security documents on a department Web site say that “in some cases, secure gates will be constructed to allow land owners access to their private property near the Rio Grande.” But the documents offer few details.”

Some people will be leaving the gates open you know. Why the buffer zone?


7 posted on 11/09/2007 3:48:36 AM PST by Sybeck1 (Join me for the Million Minutemen March --- Summer 2008!!)
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To: Sybeck1
Why the buffer zone?Presumably it can't be built right on the river bank. You need the proper soil to anchor it, you need to build access roads for construction, proper landscaping, etc. I'm not a civil engineer but I assume this was an engineering decision.
8 posted on 11/09/2007 3:56:45 AM PST by jalisco555 ("The only thing we learn from history is that we never learn from history." Winston Churchill)
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To: jalisco555

“But officials say that putting the fence right up against the river could interfere with its flow during a flood and change its course, illegally altering the border”

Looks like environmentalists at work to me, getting a two-fer here by destroying public property and discrediting border control efforts.


9 posted on 11/09/2007 3:56:59 AM PST by Iconoclast2 (Two wings of the same bird of prey . . .)
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To: jalisco555

“They invade our space, and we fall back. They assimilate countless worlds, and we fall back. Not again. Not this time. The line must be drawn here! This far, no farther! And I will make them pay for what they have done!” — Picard, to Lily


10 posted on 11/09/2007 3:59:26 AM PST by Sybeck1 (Join me for the Million Minutemen March --- Summer 2008!!)
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To: Iconoclast2
Looks like environmentalists at work to me, getting a two-fer here by destroying public property and discrediting border control efforts.

Maybe, but I don't see how a fence right along a river bank would work from purely engineering perspective. You need to be able to access it easily for repairs, maintenance, etc, and that requires access roads on both sides of the fence.

11 posted on 11/09/2007 4:00:52 AM PST by jalisco555 ("The only thing we learn from history is that we never learn from history." Winston Churchill)
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To: tx_eggman

Your point is well taken. Giving up excess land makes no sense, and the line should be “hugged” as much as possible. But wherever the line is drawn, you’re always going to have a number of parties pissin’ and moanin’ about the unfairness of it all. Tough tamales. It happens all the time where highways or other public works projects cause forfeitures. But the politically charged nature of this project is going to amplify the caterwauling to the degree that one will think we are beheading their children or something. We must persevere and get this done. End of story.


12 posted on 11/09/2007 4:08:50 AM PST by weeder
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Sarcastically its a shame the Berlin Wall couldn’t have been saved and reused at our southern border.

There must be a buffer zone or else it would be way too easy to have concealed tunnels in houses.


13 posted on 11/09/2007 4:17:01 AM PST by Eye of Unk
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To: Eye of Unk
There must be a buffer zone or else it would be way too easy to have concealed tunnels in houses.

Good point.

14 posted on 11/09/2007 4:19:04 AM PST by jalisco555 ("The only thing we learn from history is that we never learn from history." Winston Churchill)
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To: seemoAR
Since there is no question about the Government being able to take over land from landowners, I would rather it be condemned to build a border wall instead of a highway or lake.

...Or a shopping mall, marina, and business park in New London, CT that primarily benefits private developers rather than the public good.

15 posted on 11/09/2007 4:22:42 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: Sybeck1
Why the buffer zone?

A mine field would be nice.
16 posted on 11/09/2007 4:24:01 AM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Here’s a better idea: declare war on Mexico, take two miles of their river edge land, and build a wall THERE.


17 posted on 11/09/2007 4:26:39 AM PST by King of Florida (A little government and a little luck are necessary in life, but only a fool trusts either of them.)
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To: King of Florida

Thinking about it, declaring war on Mexico has great possibilities. Every illegal alien from Mexico could be declared an enemy combatant or an illegal combatant or an illegal enemy combatant.


18 posted on 11/09/2007 4:29:13 AM PST by King of Florida (A little government and a little luck are necessary in life, but only a fool trusts either of them.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
"It gives Mexico the river and everything that's behind that wall. It doesn't make any sense to me."[Cecilia Benavides]

No, it doesn't change ownership. You still own all the land on the other side of your fence. And it protects 98% of your land from the migrations onto your 2%.

19 posted on 11/09/2007 4:29:35 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: jalisco555
I think it might and I stress might that history may repeat itself and we see another "Berlin Wall" go up at our southern borders. Sadly its all too necessary even though we are the land of democracy and we are being invaded by immigrants, as I recall East Germany did NOT want its citizens to move West toward democracy while now we wish to defend it from being weakened from freedom seeking immigrants, maybe history will repeat itself. While I am proud at times to be an American lately with the possibility of a Marxist president on the horizon I have been thinking, what is America turning into? Another East Germany?
20 posted on 11/09/2007 4:31:39 AM PST by Eye of Unk
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