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MIT Sues Gehry, Citing Leaks In $300m Complex
The Boston Globe ^ | 11/6/07 | Shelley Murphy

Posted on 11/07/2007 8:36:36 AM PST by steve-b

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21 posted on 11/07/2007 8:57:15 AM PST by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: steve-b

Gehry’s buildings all look like they’re snapshots of a structure in the process of collapsing, so this surprises me not at all.


22 posted on 11/07/2007 8:57:16 AM PST by denydenydeny (Expel the priest and you don't inaugurate the age of reason, you get the witch doctor--Paul Johnson)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

That freaking monstrosity looks like the town of Whoville.

Dr. Seuss’ widow should sue.


23 posted on 11/07/2007 9:00:08 AM PST by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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To: zek157
We were in Beijing in Feb and drove by some of the Olympic structures. The Bird's Nest (stadium)is designed by the same guy who designed the terminal at Charles De Gaulle where the roof caved in. After the cave-in the Chinese decided not to put the roof on the stadium and leave it open air.

We were at De Gaulle last month. The signs said construction work to serve you better. I think keeping the roof up would be good service. LOL!

24 posted on 11/07/2007 9:00:12 AM PST by purpleraine
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

Art is a reflection of Zeitgeist. What we see here is deconstructed architecture for a deconstructed culture.


25 posted on 11/07/2007 9:00:21 AM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: steve-b
This is hardly surprising considering that Gehry's inspiration for the first Springfield Opera House was a wadded up piece of paper.
26 posted on 11/07/2007 9:03:25 AM PST by KingSnorky
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To: the_devils_advocate_666
"Without knowing what futurism is like, Johansen achieved something very close to it when he spoke of the city; for instead of describing any definite structure or building, he dwells only on broad impressions of vast angles and stone surfaces - surfaces too great to belong to anything right or proper for this earth, and impious with horrible images and hieroglyphs. I mention his talk about angles because it suggests something Wilcox had told me of his awful dreams. He said that the geometry of the dream-place he saw was abnormal, non-Euclidean, and loathsomely redolent of spheres and dimensions apart from ours. Now an unlettered seaman felt the same thing whilst gazing at the terrible reality."
--H. P. Lovecraft ("The Call of Cthulhu")
27 posted on 11/07/2007 9:03:40 AM PST by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: Suzy Quzy

Yes because those “ENGINEERING STUDENTS” and “ENGINEERING PROFESSORS” are too busy doing useful work to make a building. That’s why they hired someone else to do it.

“In the 2006 academic year, MIT faculty and researchers disclosed 523 inventions, filed 321 patent applications, received 121 patents, and earned $42.3 million in royalties.”

and from: http://entrepreneurship.mit.edu/mit_spinoffs.php
“MIT students, alums, and faculty have founded over 5,000 companies. Approximately 150 new MIT-related companies are founded each year. These companies account for employment of over 1.1 million and annual sales of more than $230 billion.”

“If the companies founded by MIT graduates and faculty formed an independent nation, the revenues produced by the companies would make that nation the 24th largest economy in the world”


28 posted on 11/07/2007 9:04:13 AM PST by newguy357
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To: Lorianne

Here’s another of his stoopid designs here in Cleveland. It’s like lookin’ at the reflection of a building in a Funhouse mirror. Really clever Frank!
http://weatherhead.case.edu/lewis/


29 posted on 11/07/2007 9:04:54 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: steve-b
Snow and ice cascaded dangerously from window boxes and other projecting roof areas...

Hmm...out here in snow country the norm is a steep roof, usually metal. You learn very quickly not to stand under the eaves in springtime.

These structures do have a certain avant garde visual appeal if you like that sort of thing. The problem is that it makes function tend to follow form instead of the other way around. When that happens you have to adjust to the building instead of it adjusting to you. Bottom line - suck it up, buttercup, you approved the plans.

OTOH, those who wonder why a world-class engineering enterprise such as MIT could get whacked by this might recall that teaching ain't doing. Universities with world-class computer science departments still hire professionals (many without degrees) to run their infrastructure. Gaudy is great but somebody's gotta make the terlits flush.

30 posted on 11/07/2007 9:06:07 AM PST by Billthedrill
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Isn’t MIT a world-class engineering school? Shouldn’t the preeminent scholars in engineering have been able to spot the glaring design flaws?

One might suspect that none of MIT's real engineers had anything to do with it - shoemaker's children and all that.

31 posted on 11/07/2007 9:06:37 AM PST by pt17
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

Wow! How can you blame the architect when you assent to the construction of such a hideous glob? Whomever’s signature accepted the design is at fault for the problems of that monstrosity.


32 posted on 11/07/2007 9:06:38 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze
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To: steve-b
In 37 years in ‘da bidness’ I can count on one hand Architects I’ve dealt with that weren’t complete and utter a$$h*les. They are, as a group, arrogant egomaniacs with a god complex.

And pointing out a design error, oops "oversight" - holy (blank) - get ready for a fight. Even getting a ceiling lowered a couple inches in a stinking closet is like .. trying to get a pony from Santa.

Architect's ... Arggggggggghhh!

33 posted on 11/07/2007 9:07:30 AM PST by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: American_Centurion

“Dr. Seuss’ widow should sue.”

Suess-like, indeed.


34 posted on 11/07/2007 9:07:56 AM PST by bigcat32
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To: pt17

I don’t expect they did have any input. But looking at the aerial shot in 21, one would expect somebody to ask of the professors, “Can this work?”


35 posted on 11/07/2007 9:09:35 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze
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To: newguy357

That’s really not the point. The point is, how much of the $300M was taxpayer dollars ?

A more functional building could have been built for much, much less.


36 posted on 11/07/2007 9:10:39 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: steve-b

The construction industry has to endure the problems caused by the usage and religous devotion to these “top” architects that incorporate what some critics have called a gee-whiz nature to many elements or the overall design. The detailers and the engineering consultants are stuck with trying to detail-out the actual construction documents for the design prima dona that comes up with this stuff.

It will end up being blamed on his roof consultant, structural engineer or some other underling he has on his team and the issue of refusal to retreat from a stupid design will never arise as it should.

These idiots are catered to on lots of jobs and it is the fault of Owners trying to impress each other or the community at large and wasting money in the effort.

A University Construction-Engineering and Facilities Department has engineers and architectural types within its staff that know what they are buying and they should have had the emergency brake applied when a design like this is submitted. Instead, they chose to accept the potential problems thinking that the Architect has insurance and now this thing will be a lawsuit mess with the poor Contractor drug in because he will be sued as well, I am sure, in some sort of cross claim or contributary liability suit.


37 posted on 11/07/2007 9:16:33 AM PST by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free...their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: expatpat

No, no, I liked the way you phrased it the first time better :-)


38 posted on 11/07/2007 9:18:43 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: zek157

“This Old House” went to that building for a visit. Steve is such a dunderhead!
The wasted space, and the hard-to-use spaces on the interior are just,,,well,,,STOOPID Frank!


39 posted on 11/07/2007 9:20:33 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: Pietro

>>”MIT is a national treasure. They do more to increase our economy than just about any other institution:

That doesn’t save them from stupid decisions.<<

No and this one sure seems to fall into the “they should have known better” category.


40 posted on 11/07/2007 9:22:22 AM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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