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To: rintense

Give me a break, you and your ilk sound like broken record hacks.

Social Conservatism is NOT the definition of being a conservative. A true conservative by definition could never support free trade by group treaties such as the WTO and the NAFTA... yet over the last 25 years, you’d think it was the definition of Conservatism by some.

The reality is simply this, if your view is so powerful within the party then someone with your beliefs will win the nomination.

If they don’t, yours isn’t, pure and simple. Its math, nothing more.

Regardless of who the R candidate is, if someone foolishly decides to go 3rd party or stay home because its not who they want it to be, then all they do is aid in getting hillary elected.. its that simple. And if your goal is to end abortion or stop gay rights movement or conserve the 2nd ammendment, the last thing you can do is Put Hillary in charge of appointing 4-6 Supreme court justices, which is exactly what will happen.

Politics is a pragmatic endeavor, ideologues who believe all or nothing basically wind up with little say in anything.


74 posted on 11/07/2007 7:04:12 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay
Oh I see. So its better to sell your soul to the devil than to stand by your convictions? No sale.

If Hillary ends up in the White House, it won't be the fault of the 'ilk' that had the guts to stand by our convictions, it will be the fools that settled for a candidate who had the alleged best chance to beat Hillary.

It will be YOUR fault. Not ours.

81 posted on 11/07/2007 7:14:45 AM PST by rintense (I'm 4 Thompson!)
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To: HamiltonJay
There are enough of us out here to beat Rudy. We'll either beat him in the primaries or we'll beat him in the general election, but we WILL beat him.

NOTHING would be worse for this country than the election of Rudy Giuliani.

85 posted on 11/07/2007 7:22:54 AM PST by tear gas (Because of the 22nd Amendment, we are losing President. Bush. Can we afford to lose him now?)
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To: HamiltonJay
Put Hillary in charge of appointing 4-6 Supreme court justices

Six Supreme Court nominations? Do you expect the Ebola virus inflict two-thirds of SCOTUS?

It's this kind of hyperbole that makes those trying to scare conservatives into voting for RINOs look foolish.

What you don't seem to understand is that RINOs like Giuliani give us equally bad judges as Democrats -- from John Paul Stevens to David Souter.

And, with a shrinking Republican minority in Congress, there isn't any chance Giuliani would expend political capital fighting for conservative judges.

But, a Giuliani Presidency guarantees a conservative President wouldn't be nominating judges until at least 2016.

242 posted on 11/07/2007 12:39:41 PM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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