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Arch critic calls for Citigroup to be broken up
Telegraph UK ^ | 11/06/07 | James Quinn

Posted on 11/05/2007 8:15:43 PM PST by Rutles4Ever

Meredith Whitney, the CIBC World Markets' financial services analyst, believes the only way forward for new chairman Robert Rubin and interim chief executive Sir Win Bischoff is to carve the bank up and sell it off.

Asked about the possibility of a Citi break-up, Ms Whitney, who received death threats following her comments last week, said: "That's really the only thing they can do. They don't have the capital to manage it as an ongoing entity."

Ms Whitney's views stem from her belief that Citi does not have enough capital to meet its existing commitments, something the bank denied in a statement on its financing on Sunday evening.

She believes that Citi needs to begin to sell off non-core asserts or cuts its dividend. But chief financial officer Gary Crittenden, a contender to replace Mr Prince, yesterday told banking analysts that Citi has no intention of cutting the dividend.

Ms Whitney responded by saying: "Clearly the maths do not add up."

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: citigroup; siv; toxicwaste
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The magnitude of this unfolding event is, so far, lost on the general public. Get ready.
1 posted on 11/05/2007 8:15:44 PM PST by Rutles4Ever
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To: Rutles4Ever

I’ve been paying federal taxes my whole life that have been siphoned off to bail out Citi over and over again, and this looks like the mother of all bailouts coming.


2 posted on 11/05/2007 8:25:03 PM PST by Iconoclast2 (Two wings of the same bird of prey . . .)
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To: Rutles4Ever

It is stunning that Citibank, one of the biggest, greediest and richist banking conglomerates could get so greedy as to go broke with the billions of dollars in service fees, credit card processing fees, high consumer interest, consumer credit marketing that is endless... that they took too many risks and broke themselves in the process.

Well, the execs won’t have to give back a dime of their fat salaries, so to them it was just a great ride.


3 posted on 11/05/2007 8:33:07 PM PST by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: Rutles4Ever

flashback time.....

Democrats Hush Up Rubin’s Enron Scandal
NEWSMAX ^ | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 07/25/2002 9:27:24 PM EDT by OPS4

With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff For the story behind the story...

Thursday, July 25, 2002 Democrats Hush Up Rubin’s Enron Scandal

Senate Democrats claiming to investigate the collapse of Enron Corp. don’t want to question former Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, a top official at Citigroup Inc., about its role in concealing Enron’s debt from investors.

Asked whether he intended to call Rubin as a witness, Sen. Joseph Lieberman, chairman of the Governmental Affairs Committee, said, “I don’t,” the Washington Times reported today.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/722412/posts


4 posted on 11/05/2007 8:33:26 PM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68 (CALL CONGRESSCRITTERS TOLL-FREE @ 1-800-965-4701)
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To: Rutles4Ever

Citigroup is a part-owner of the Federal Government. The American taxpayer will end up covering their losses some way or another.


5 posted on 11/05/2007 8:35:22 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Rutles4Ever
Meryl Lynch and Citigroup are gonna need some real help come December.
6 posted on 11/05/2007 8:41:10 PM PST by TxCopper
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

I remember that well, Robbie Rubin needs to get his a$$ handed to him.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/626491/posts


7 posted on 11/05/2007 8:41:36 PM PST by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Isn’t Rubin, again, a big player at the top?


8 posted on 11/05/2007 8:43:26 PM PST by TxCopper
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To: Rutles4Ever
The magnitude of this unfolding event is, so far, lost on the general public. Get ready.

I want to see what role Clinton's boy wonder, Robert Rubin, had in all this.

9 posted on 11/05/2007 8:44:33 PM PST by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: BOBTHENAILER

Watch your New York senators, Hillary and Schumer at the head of the bail-out parade.


10 posted on 11/05/2007 8:52:21 PM PST by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: BOBTHENAILER

I bought some enron shares @ 27 cents after the close on the friday night before the sunday they filed for BK, so I followed it from that perspective for 2 yrs or so......what an education!!

If citi is as bad off as this chik says, I’ll bet it’ll go the way of Arthur Andersen, and maybe even quicker, to bury all the bodies. Paper shredder prices will soar tomorrow, LOL


11 posted on 11/05/2007 8:53:16 PM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68 (CALL CONGRESSCRITTERS TOLL-FREE @ 1-800-965-4701)
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To: Rutles4Ever

I used to engineer the trading floors at the Citicorp bldg. years back.

Would go into the bigshots offices, this one guy was wearing like $1,000 dollar a pair alligator shoes.


12 posted on 11/05/2007 8:58:02 PM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: Rutles4Ever

certainly the cerberus group would want a chunk

to add to their albertsons and chrysler and ...

properties.


13 posted on 11/05/2007 8:58:05 PM PST by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
Paper shredder prices will soar tomorrow, LOL

Buy HP stock? Good one..LOL

14 posted on 11/05/2007 9:01:34 PM PST by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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Watch your New York senators, Hillary and Schumer at the head of the bail-out parade.

I'm truly shocked we haven't seen it yet.

15 posted on 11/05/2007 9:02:56 PM PST by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

If it were simply Citi, then a bailout would come one way or another. Problem is, it’s not just Citi. WaMu is toast. Countrywide is toast. Mortgage insurers are toast. What about Merrill, Morgan, Wachovia, Lehman, UBS - you name it - every major bank is up to their eyeballs in this radioactive waste. Some are more exposed than others.

The ABX index is a screaming bloodbath - AAA tranches - supposedly impervious to damage - are quoting in the 70’s(!) The ABX is an index of credit-default swaps which, although they do not directly measure the bonds, they measure the sentiment towards those tranches. If investors are driving down the value of AAA tranches to hedge against their potential default at these price levels, then these instruments are effectively bankrupt. Once a credit acceleration event takes place and the coupons get cut, it’s going to be a race for the door. Without the junk yield at “AAA-rated” protection, they’re an albatross to every bank, hedge fund, pension, and insurance unit that
invested in them.

Here’s a very sobering analysis of the Citigroup situation:

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/

“Level 3 assets at Citigroup exceed shareholder equity. Now take a look at level 2 assets sitting at $939 billion dollars. A mere 10% haircut in the value of those assets would eat up 74% of working capital. A 10% haircut in Level 2 assets in conjunction with steeper losses in level 3 assets would make Citigroup insolvent.”

^^^ This is what they’re up against.


16 posted on 11/05/2007 9:07:10 PM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
Actually..HP is on my 10% or better for the year list.

Did you see the announcement today?
17 posted on 11/05/2007 9:07:29 PM PST by TxCopper
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To: Mr. Jeeves

So is the red Chinese. What really is your point?


18 posted on 11/05/2007 9:10:31 PM PST by TxCopper
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To: Iconoclast2

If you check out the Fed funds data on this page:

http://www.ny.frb.org/markets/omo/dmm/fedfundsdata.cfm

you will notice that on 10/25, the high overnight rate presented from one bank to another was 15%. That’s not a typo. 15%. That means some bank transacted an overnight loan with another bank that had such horrible collateral to put forward, it had to take a loan-shark rate of 15% to get it done. This is public information and the media doesn’t breathe a word of it.


19 posted on 11/05/2007 9:22:27 PM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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To: Alamo-Girl

x42 downside legacy still haunting us.


20 posted on 11/05/2007 9:32:40 PM PST by anymouse
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