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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Actually yes, We are all cross-dressing abortion doctors who like to steal guns and your rights!...

No. I’m a conservative who has worked my a$$ off for candidates like Scott Garrett, one of the most consistently conservative member of congress, conservative NJ state senate leader Gerry Cardinale.

We’re tax cutting, deficit-hating, pro-military and yes, social conservatives, who understand what its like to be a Republican in a liberal location.

I’m a Republican from New Jersey which may explain my tolerance of moderate social policies, but it also explains my understanding of New York City and the feat of even cutting a single tax in that city, let alone 23. May he have exaggerated his positions a little to get elected in the most liberal city in the nation? Yes

However in his actions, the measure of a politician, I ask you to show me one instance where he expanded abortion, legalized gay marriage or took a gun away from someone who rightfully owned it.


17 posted on 11/05/2007 1:00:21 PM PST by HHKrepublican_2 (Giuliani '08)
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To: HHKrepublican_2
Wow, now that you you have shown us the light, I guess that makes all of us here at FR idiots to overlook Rudy...

Do I really need the tag?

Ok
/S!

19 posted on 11/05/2007 1:17:21 PM PST by ejonesie22 (Real voters in real voting booths will elect FDT.)
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To: HHKrepublican_2

Rudy Giuliani on gun confiscation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZDjGnGCygs

Fourteen years later and here are a few things he has been wrong about.
First of all, he lied about the stats he used. He claims that after Canada started licensing handgun owners the suicide rate was slashed by fifty percent. The truth is that the suicide rates in Canada not only did not reduce, they actually continued to increase during the time frame he is talking about (and since).

http://fathersforlife.org/health/cansuic.htm

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache...lnk&cd=7&gl=us

Now let’s look at his other statements. He claims that the cause of higher murder rates is the presence of more “automatic” handguns in America, but since he said that in 1993 there has been over a hundred million more guns in America with probably half of those being semi-automatic handguns, yet the murder rate in America is now almost half what it was in 1993. Apparently more “automatic” handguns in America correlates with fewer murders and crimes which is the opposite of what Rudy claims. http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_01.html

Add the England example and his thesis is disproven because since England has banned all handguns, murder has increased with most murders committed without the dreaded so called “automatic” 9mm pistols or other handguns.

http://www.crimestatistics.org.uk/output/page40.asp

Rudy also claims that revolvers in the hands of a murderer are less damaging than a 9mm “automatic” handguns. Studies have said that while one fifth of all handgun crimes involve a handgun with a greater than ten round magazine capacity, and one fifth of all privately owned handguns in America have a greater than ten round magazines (a 1995 estimate on private ownership and the percent is most likely much higher now), only 3% of all gunfire incidents had ten or more shots fired. A five, six, seven, nine or even a ten shot revolver kills just the same.

Hopefully Republicans will come to their senses and realise Rudy is Republican In Name Only and send someone else to the General.

He said something about his stance not affecting hunting. Hunting!

This is the same tripe that came out of Bill Clinton’s mouth. The Founders weren’t securing our right to hunt. They built in a check on government, and did nothing to stop us from self defense. C’mon I know you want to support Rudy, but I will not vote for a gun grabber. Why will you?


20 posted on 11/05/2007 2:28:20 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: HHKrepublican_2
I ask you to show me one instance where he expanded abortion

He personally gave money to Planned Parenthood NINE TIMES. Every dollar given to Planned Parenthood expands abortions, it is what they do.

Giuliani is supported mostly in the liberal northeast and west coast. I fled my home state of Connecticut because I saw what was coming. Weicker-Rowland-Rell, and now my fellow nutmeggers think that is the best they can do, and they are right. My Connectiut is gone.

Giuliani had his chance to be a liberal NYer from a liberal state, and he bailed out so that Mrs. Clinton could walk all over Rick Lazio. I am not giving him a second chance. And I do not want RINO Rudy to do for America what Christine Tood Whitman, Jody Rell, Tom Ridge, George Pataki and Arnold Schwarzenegger have done for their respective states. One liberal party is enough, thank you.
21 posted on 11/05/2007 2:39:01 PM PST by Dr. Sivana ("The portals [...] inspire the merchants of debt to imagine how they might take us over" -Curley(AP))
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To: HHKrepublican_2; Pharmboy

Ping to Pharmboy to refute Giuliani’s “support” for gun rights.


24 posted on 11/05/2007 8:44:47 PM PST by Politicalmom (Of the potential GOP front runners, FT has one of the better records on immigration.- NumbersUSA)
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