Posted on 11/05/2007 8:52:54 AM PST by Reagan Man
Thompson is being pragmatic. Abortion is more easily defeated on a state by state scale than on the national scale that a constitutional amendment requires.
I would prefer to see abortion outlawed in any number of states than for it to be allowed in all states.
Wrong. The fetus would only have to be declared a “person” to be guaranteed the right to life. They don’t need to be made citizens. Even illegal aliens have the right to live. Some people just don’t want American babies to have as many rights as illegal aliens
I agree. A Human Life amendment may seem like an impossibility, but it is the only solution that shows a commitment to protect the unborn.
With abortion it has to be an all or nothing thing. Allowing some states to make abortion legal, effectively allows all people to have legal abortions. They just need to travel to obtain one. One who truly believes that abortion is the taking of innocent life has to find this solution unacceptable. We do not allow states to make murder legal. Abortion is murder, and should fall under the same legal and constitutional framework.
If you are referring to the judiciary declaring a fetus as protected or not, then yes, but that’s exactly what we already have. Congress can and should decide the law of the land, they just don’t want to. In the absence of that, the states’ legislatures could constitutionally do what the feds won’t, but I maintain that the responsibility for this, where it should reside, is with the national lawmakers.
From 1970 to 2005 Massachusetts Mitt supported the liberal position on abortion. For 35 years Romney publicly supported Roe v Wade as the law of the land and believed abortion on demand was a woman's Constitutional right.
In 2005 Romney decided to run for POTUS in the next general election cycle. Romney realized his pro-Roe/pro-choice position would be a problem. So he told the world he had a political epiphany and was now pro-life. How convenient. Sounds more like Mitt decided to engage in some political expediency that would paper over his long time pro-abortion position.
Fred Thompson`s position has always been consistent and in line with his support for federalism. Fred's always been a pro-life conservative. He's always opposed Roe v Wade and abortion on demand. Fred wants to see RvW overturned and the issue sent back to the purview of the states. Where is resided for 200 years. Fred also believes life begins at conception and abortion is the taking of a human life.
Btw, John Hawkins is a Duncan Hunter supporter and worked for several months on the Hunter campaign. Hawkins also wrote that fine article on Rudy Giuliani from August 2006, The Conservative Case Against Rudy Giuliani. Hawkins is a good conservative and his right about this issue.
Fred Thompson made his tenth appearance on Meet the Press this Sunday, his first since being an official candidate for President of the United States.
Fred is one of the few candidates in the GOP bold enough to sit face to face with Tim Russet and answer some of the most difficult questions in politics today.
Fred’s appearance on Meet the Press demonstrated he has the stature to lead this nation and the conservative principles to ensure its success into the future.
The interview was very substantive both on foreign and domestic policy issues and showed Fred’s depth of knowledge about the serious threat we face in America from radical Islamic terrorists.
Since he first announced his candidacy, Fred has demonstrated repeatedly that he is the one true consistent conservative in this campaign, and his interview with Tim Russert provided further evidence that he is the only candidate committed to limited government and returning power back to state and local governments.
I prefer to leave abortion up to God. Since He creates people knowing who is going to have an abortion, then it must be OK with Him, otherwise, no one would ever have one.
Which God though ? What if you weren’t born to parents who happened to practice the correct religion out of the thousands of religions in the world ?
Oh...well that explains why he voted FOR a federal law banning Partial Birth Abortion and now is against a federal amendment which would affect the legality of abortion - because he is "consistent" in his federalism stance.
Hmmm...I wonder where Thompson would have stood on the issue of slavery. Should that be decided on a state-by-state basis? If it is OK for some states to allow the slaughter of one class of human life (those that have yet to be born) then it would stand to reason that it would also be OK for them to allow the enslavement of one class of human life too. Right?
Let's stretch that logic to extremes, shall we? Under your definition of "federalism" (and Thompson's and Hawkins') then it would be OK, on a state-by-state basis, for those unwanted human lives to instead of being aborted, to be enslaved after they are born. You've defined a class of human life to not be protected by laws protecting life, freedom, etc. Why not pay the mothers for their unwanted children and then enslave the children after they are born - on a state-by-state basis, of course? Would that be OK with you, Thompson, and Hawkins to allow to be implemented state-by-state?
I believe there is only one God, and, since they are all man-made, no correct religion.
He also knows who is going to murder someone and who is going to be murdered, using your logic. So, then, do you believe that murder is OK with Him? I mean, otherwise, no one would ever murder anyone. Right?
Hey, wait. Abortion IS a form of murder, or like unto it. Interesting thing, that.
"Thou shalt not kill..." - God
Yes, I believe He does know who is going to commit murder, yet He still creates that person. I don’t believe murder, or for that matter, anything we do here on earth, is of any consequence to God since He put us here, knowing what we are going to do.
So, using your logic, then Murder should be legal too?
Not everybody is Ron "Just Say No" Paul -- pragmatism knowing that the current system has the federal government already involved in abortion, and therefore taking action to put a reasonable restriction on it does not conflict with wanting to get the federal government out of regulating abortion in the first place.
In the Roe v. Wade world, the federal government essentially has total control over abortion law. While that is true, one can work both to do what is best under that model as well as change the model without being inconsistent or a hypocrite.
Or, one can sign promises to Planned Parenthood supporting the substance of Roe v. Wade and supporting taxpayer funding of abortions.
I'm voting for the former, not the latter.
“So much for the idea that Thompson was the answer for true Conservatives.”
I consider myself a true conservative, and voting for Fred.
He is pro-life. And more inportantly, he is for following our constitution. When RvW is overt;urned and becomes a State’s issue there will be very few abortions, if any. I really believe that most every state will vote to ban abortions except perhaps for saving the life of a mother, rape, or incest.
Personally no, but different societies throughout history, have had different laws. The acceptance of murder is relative to the situation. For example, wars have murdered millions of innocents throughout history, yet it is legal.
So, you don't believe in right or wrong? Good or evil? Using the logic that you've stated in this thread, murder is good because God allows it.
I believe God put into each of us an individual sense of right and wrong. I did not say anything was good or bad. We still have to obey the laws, or suffer the consequences. I just happen to believe that the consequences begin and end here on earth.
“Well Tim, just because you believe that withholding of M&M’s is ‘torture’ doesn’t make it so.
I agree with this analysis.
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