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To: Yaelle
He admits this is very tricky to deal with politically.

It's only tricky if you're more concerned with getting votes.

I also raised the question of how enforceable a federal law would even be. We have to be realistic about it.

I've heard the same excuse in the immigration debate. Doesn't work either place.

11 posted on 11/04/2007 1:49:50 PM PST by phrogphlyer (Proud member of the contrarian fringe.)
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To: phrogphlyer

The federal govt has no business being involved in abortion in anyway, shape or form. It is a state issue, and the SCOTUS messed up by sticking their beaks into it. Roe v Wade needs to go away, and have the issue returned to the states where it belongs. Thompson was correct with that opinion.


38 posted on 11/04/2007 2:09:34 PM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: phrogphlyer

What I meant by realistic is that you have to play chess with making abortion 100% illegal in all circumstances, and a federal crime.

(I said this in another post somewhere on FR today.) Think about a situation where a woman is 3-4 months pregnant and with all the checkups in her life now, is found to have cancer. Or severely dangerously high blood pressure. Suppose she has other children at home who need her desperately, and the medical recommendation is to end the pregnancy and the unborn’s life in order to save hers. I am strongly anti-abortion but I am wondering whether such a woman and her doctor deserve to be put in federal prison if they proceed.

And imagine if a woman wants an abortion for convenience and her doctor thinks that is hunky dory. Tell me they wouldn’t come up with a scenario like the one above.

That is what I am saying about realism. Not that we have to go with the flow, but you have to imagine whether it would be possible to even find out about abortions.

Here’s another scenario. Many women miscarry very early, but the dead baby remains inside. After two weeks of waiting for the sad flow to start naturally, many doctors want to reduce the risk of infection to the poor mom and opt to give her a D&C in a hospital(scraping and cleaning out the uterus so it can proceed to make ready for the next cycle and the heartbroken couple can try again). This is a common procedure.

Imagine that if the woman and her doctor choose to abort, they could say that she miscarried and then do a D&C. No one would ever know.

An illegal alien is outside the body and can be seen and asked about his papers. An unborn baby is a little harder to determine. I am anti-abortion. But I do see some problems with making it a federal crime. Someone here said today, then it would make killing your unborn embryo a harsher crime than shooting your two-year-old in the head. We need to be realistic in that sense.


162 posted on 11/04/2007 3:24:23 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: phrogphlyer

Oh yes votes...those are NEVER important.


543 posted on 11/05/2007 5:23:15 AM PST by Def Conservative
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