Posted on 11/04/2007 1:38:41 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
nevermind...I was responding to someone who wasn’t exactly rational...
It leaves us with Rudy, because he’s the superstar tax cutting war hawk as far as the masses are concerned.
Every thread like this only helps Rudy, it doesn’t help Hunter or any other lower tier candidate. I wish freepers would understand this.
>>> Just a small correction, #2 in some states does bring in personal culpulabiligy in the legal definition of negligence. Most States will give leeway in this but some will look for any negligence to go after the accused. (I know, off topic, but I wanted a decent discussion versus some of the stuff going on.) <<<
Oh, I agree. It’s very hard to find a case where a no-fault accident might be challenged. It is from time to time allowed, though. As you point out, it’s more likely in some jurisdictions than others.
Not quite. Rudy supports almost unlimited abortion, and, if I'm not mistaken, even thinks that the Federal Govt should pay for abortions for poor women. That's not even close to Fred's position.
It appears nothing.
It really kills me that on Free Republic, as well as other conservative haunts, there are people who really do not understand where we are as a country, and by virtue really don’t understand that despite the moral implications this is a political battle, a war for the lives of the innocent and every hour we refuse to understand the true nature of the battle field, more children are snatched from the womb.
So if I maybe so bold, just like any other war, we need to have a balance between faith and strategy. Pray for victory but plan for it as well. So maybe, just maybe, it is time to put down the Bible for a bit, keeping it at hand of course, and pick up Sun Tzu’s Art of War.
Understand that in the United Sates the forces arrayed against the Pro Life side are vast. Hollywood, Oprah, The Democrats, you name it they are our there. Between us and them is a public easily influenced and not really committed to anything but the shiny objects dangled in front of them. That is the battlefield. We are too few in number to stage a frontal assault.
That frontal assault is the Right to Life amendment. If it was even remotely feasible, it would have passed by now. We have had Republican majorities since Roe V. Wade. That is a victory that is not possible by demanding it of all our conservative politicians, because they would be slaughtered.
However a victory can come through many smaller battles. Be it Roe V. Wad being over turned or the states taking action. The closer to the people and the smaller the audience, the better chance we have. With Roe out of the way, something I pray happens, and will IF we make the right choice and hold the high ground (Presidency), I expect 50 individual contests in places where the players are closer to their constituency and more easily influenced by their desires and demands.
I know, I know, that will leave some states where children can be murdered, BUT I am willing to bet that it will be less than 1/4 of the total states, leaving 3/4s, which happens to be, amazingly enough, the number needed for a national amendment. How pray tell can the representatives of the 3/4s of the states where abortion is illegal now act against so obvious a mandate at the national level.
50 smaller battles, one major victory.
One other issue that has arisen time and time again, criminalization. One day when the they totally ban abortion that can be addressed, but not now. Indeed such talk works horribly against us. The left has ingrained it into everyone’s mind that abortion is ok. If we run around talking about locking up 18 year old girls and their parents, we sound draconian and judgmental. Remember we are going to these folks to have them decide to vote our way. They don’t have to and indeed won’t vote to ban abortion if as part of that there is a risk of their kids going to jail for a dumb decision that until recently,(after the ban) was hammered into their skulls as being ok. If you to turn people against us and our efforts, that’ll do it.
You want revenge or to pass judgment, think about it and perhaps stop and leave it to God for now and join the battle. Otherwise I wish you would just shut up. I am not interested in all that, I want to save babies.
So we need to fight smart and we need to win, I think that is what Thompson is doing, putting the battle where there are going to be wins for our side, maybe dozens of them. Maybe even Mitt is thinking this to, though he makes rumblings about the Federal amendment. Maybe he will get smart as well. Rudy is right out.
We are at war, and the lives of the innocent are at stake. Put up the anger, the hyperbole and the holier than thou and hunker down and lets beat the bastards at their own game.
Otherwise I fear we will be having this discussion again for another 30 years.
>>>Slick Willard’s got about three years of pro-life experience. You’re lecturing from the moral low ground.<<<
There is a morally and Constitutionally sound argument. And then there are other arguments like we just saw from Thompson.
Rommey’s is morally and Constitutionally sound. And the strikes of his pen have shown as much. Experience or not, these are the facts of the matter.
>>>Government out of our private lives now and for ever!<<<
Especially when we privately murder our fellow human-beings?
That certainly is an interesting can of worms you’re opening.
Fred has denounced the issue ad provison of CFR and the SCOTUS has shot it down.
According to this brief filed with SCOTUS, on behalf of the Government, and against Mitch McConnell (who was the plaintiff), Fred argued to uphold CFR, including the restriction of issue ads and soft money ads.
http://supreme.usatoday.findlaw.com/supreme_court/briefs/02-1674/02-1674.mer.ami.thompson.pdf
Starting on page 26 is the part about the ads. The front page clearly says “Brief on behalf of the Honorable Fred Thompson as Amicus Curiae In Support of Defendants - Appellees.
Am I reading it wrong?
Well that will change I am sure...
Or do you have another agenda...
Nah, not you...
>>>Easily answered??? Brrrp... try again. Roe V Wade will NOT be overturned. Fred says give it to the states.<<<
I’m going to be nice and just ask a simple question:
How is Fred Thompson going to give it back to the states with this little theory of yours that Roe v. Wade will not be overturned?
Roe v. Wade was determined by the US Supreme Court. Fred Thompson can say “give it to the states” all he wants. He has no power to do that whatsoever outside of a decision made by the judicial branch (i.e. the US Supreme Court) or an action made by the legislature.
Frankly, his opinion on abortion is not one that I find Constitutionally sound in the slightest. Apply the 14th Amendment to the unborn as humans or don’t and allow abortion. Simple. To the point.
Hillary/Obama/Edwards would give us someone to the left of Ginsburg.
we were able to get a federal ban on partial birth abortions. There is still a lot you can do on the federal level that doesn’t involve amendments and new judges. But if we’re now saying “sorry, it’s not federalism” then we will have to give up on those pro-life victories as well.
What’s your perfect legal response? I know I am searching for one, and it sounded like Fred is too. I understand everyone’s passion to save the unborn. But it has to be something non-utopian and something that can make sense legally.
Wow, fast reply this time. Thanks for being so *nice*.
Fred Thompson may not be able to give it back to the states, but that is what he believes should be done. It is my opinion that R v W will be with us forever. I hope I am wrong, but fear that I am right. Maybe you don’t find his opinion constitutionally sound, but neither does Fred find RvW to be sound. Neither do I. I am saying to you, for at least the third time, Roe v Wade is, unfortunately, probably here to stay. Find another issue on which to pound Fred. I know you can do it.
You're reading is dated, August 5th 2003. That was then and this is now. Besides, CFR is not an issue in the 2008 campaign.
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