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Passengers revolt after being told to fly on jet with its wing tip missing
The Daily Mail (U.K.) ^
| November 3, 2007
| DANIEL BOFFEY
Posted on 11/03/2007 5:48:45 PM PDT by Stoat
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To: BwanaNdege
>but safety should not have been compromised.
Rather famous last words, I would say.
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posted on
11/03/2007 6:11:08 PM PDT
by
bill1952
("all that we do is done with an eye towards something else." - Aristotle)
To: DugwayDuke
>747s flew for years without those wing tips.
Yes, but they weren’t torn off by other aircraft kissing wings, were they?
I would not have flown on that AC, either.
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posted on
11/03/2007 6:13:24 PM PDT
by
bill1952
("all that we do is done with an eye towards something else." - Aristotle)
To: bill1952
I had a Saratoga until I totaled it in Mexico!
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posted on
11/03/2007 6:13:49 PM PDT
by
dalereed
To: bill1952
I got my license in a Cessna 150 as it had a VOR. The Tri Pacer did not. My wife had a Sukhoi 29 for a few years. What a screamer that bad boy was.
A couple that I was friendly with had a Commanche. I gave them crap about flying a low wing. I can’t recall. Does the Commanche have a metal wing? The Tri Pacer was fabric.
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posted on
11/03/2007 6:13:50 PM PDT
by
Scotsman will be Free
(11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
To: Stoat
All right, Revolting Passengers!
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posted on
11/03/2007 6:15:14 PM PDT
by
Revolting cat!
(We all need someone we can bleed on...)
To: dalereed
One of the surviving Ford Trimotors, N414H, has to my knowledge been flying for at least 34 years with its original round wingtip on one wing, and a square wingtip from a Grumman TBM on the other side. I was told back in 1973 that the odd tip came off a TBM spray plane down in Central America.
Another example of wingtip assymetry is the Italian built Trecker Gull, a twin engine amphibian which was designed and built with one tip about 6 inches longer than the other, supposedly to offset propeller torque. So, what difference would it make for the Airbus to fly with one "cosmetic" tip missing anyway?
To: Stoat
If it had been a United flight out of Denver, the response would have been more like “WHATEVER! Take off already!”
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posted on
11/03/2007 6:16:01 PM PDT
by
jiggyboy
(Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
To: xsrdx
"What the hell kind of airline flies passengers on a damaged airplane"
They ALL do! There are items that are not on the MEL (minimum equipment list) that can be broken,inop, or missing and the plane can still carry passengers.
There are emergency air worthiness directives that are issued to address known safety problems, but the airline has days or months (carrying passengers) before they have to make the repairs.
There are also broken or inop items that are deferred till it is convenient for the airline to fix it.
A broken tip sail would be similar to a missing gear door as to its impact on the flight characteristics of the airplane.
Flying on third world airliners is risky for a number of reasons. The broken plane is just the tip of the iceburg.
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posted on
11/03/2007 6:17:08 PM PDT
by
wrench
To: dalereed
Admit nothing. The FAA is everywhere. LOL.
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posted on
11/03/2007 6:17:28 PM PDT
by
Scotsman will be Free
(11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
To: bill1952
I would not have flown on that AC, either. No sense of adventure. If you lived through it, you would have a good story to tell.
To: Stoat
Winglets are not part of a wing's structure, they are an add-on to most aircraft that have them, and are designed into others.
Their purpose is to decrease drag, thereby extending range.Taking them off changes no other performance characteristics.
To: Tribune7
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posted on
11/03/2007 6:23:34 PM PDT
by
Temple Owl
(Excelsior! Onward and upward.)
To: diogenes ghost
The airplane that Dick Rutan flew around the world non-stop (Voyager) was built with winglets. But they were torn off on their takeoff run when they dragged along the runway.
I was on a Navy LPD half way between Hawaii and California when I saw a lone nav becon overfly us. Thought it odd there were no nav lights (wing tip position lights). When I finally saw the news again, I learned that the nav lights were attached to the winglets, which were left on the runway.
The Voyager trip was sucessful.
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posted on
11/03/2007 6:35:33 PM PDT
by
wrench
To: MARTIAL MONK
I’ve had enough “adventure” in aircraft for one life. :)
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posted on
11/03/2007 6:38:16 PM PDT
by
bill1952
("all that we do is done with an eye towards something else." - Aristotle)
To: Scotsman will be Free
Yes, all of the Commanches are metal low wings.
Fast and long range with the 90 gallon tank option.
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posted on
11/03/2007 6:40:33 PM PDT
by
bill1952
("all that we do is done with an eye towards something else." - Aristotle)
To: wrench
I fly a starship across the Universe divide
And when I reach the other side
I'll find a place to rest my spirit if I can
Perhaps I may become a highwayman again
Or I may be a single drop of rain
But I will remain
And I'll be back again, and again and again and again and again...
To: Stoat
I flew on one a week ago with a broken fuel gauage. We had a 2 hour delay while they pumped out all the fuel and put it back in so they could get a count of the exact amount of fuel onboard. That was an Alaska Air flight from Boston to Seattle. All went well and we didn’t run out of fuel!
To: battlegearboat
Itazuke Tower, this is Air Force 801
I’m turning on the downwind leg, my prop is overrun
My coolants overheated, the gauge says one-two-one
You better get the crash crew out and get ‘em on the run
Air Force 801, this is Itazuke Tower
I cannot call the crash crew out, this is their coffee hour
You’re not cleared in the pattern, now that is plain to see
So take it on around again; you ain’t no VIP
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posted on
11/03/2007 6:46:59 PM PDT
by
wrench
To: fieldmarshaldj
Let see. You made it 2/3 of the way to your destination. If we prorate your fare, we owe your estate a rebate of $121.17.
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posted on
11/03/2007 6:47:35 PM PDT
by
gitmo
(From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
To: fieldmarshaldj
It added: "They are purely for aerodynamics"Yeah, thank Heaven it wasn't there for cosmetic purposes - that would be serious. LOL
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posted on
11/03/2007 6:50:32 PM PDT
by
NonValueAdded
(Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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