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To: wagglebee
When are pro-lifers actually going to start trying to change minds on this issue? If abortion is such a horrible wrong, then why aren't pro-lifers donating as much as they can to campaigns to convince the "other side" that abortion is murder. With the number of so-called pro-lifers that are out there, the fact that there aren't organizations spending billions of dollars per year attempting to change minds about abortion is a travesty.

The left, specifically Stalin, knew that to win the long term political battles they would need to take over the media, entertainment, and the academy. Where are the efforts of anti-abortionists to encourage their children to stay in college and teach their message? Where are efforts to persuade true believers in life to go to work at their local newspaper? Where are the money people willing to bankroll movies that portray abortion as death?

The only effort that anti-abortion people seem to be interested in is partisan politics, which today seems to be non-stop Rudy bashing. Hey! What has Bush done for the anti-abortion cause? Nothing much. And no president can do much until the general population has become overwhelmingly pro-life. That's the job of the anti-abortion movement, and they're not doing it, as far as I can see from the outside looking in.

The saying goes about the Global Warming argument that whenever Al Gore and company start acting like it's a real emergency, then the rest of us might believe it's an emergency. The same goes for the abortion argument. When the anti-abortion people really start acting like it's the moral disagreement of the age, then the rest of the people might take notice. But not until.

4 posted on 11/03/2007 1:10:34 PM PDT by narby
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To: narby
What has Bush done for the anti-abortion cause? Nothing much. And no president can do much until the general population has become overwhelmingly pro-life.

What are you talking about?!

Check out President Bush's "nothing much".....

Dennis Prager said the same thing but he was wrong too.

Also, there are several active pro-life educational organizations which combat the disinformation that Planned Parenthood and their ilk put out, for instance, www.all.org.

5 posted on 11/03/2007 2:27:50 PM PDT by CatQuilt (aquietcatholic.blogspot.com)
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To: narby

Bush has worked tirelessly for the pro-life cause. Try doing your homework before spouting off.


6 posted on 11/03/2007 2:31:47 PM PDT by karnage
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To: narby; CatQuilt; karnage; stephenjohnbanker; Liz; TitansAFC; Reagan Man; ex-snook; xzins; ...
The only effort that anti-abortion people seem to be interested in is partisan politics, which today seems to be non-stop Rudy bashing. Hey! What has Bush done for the anti-abortion cause? Nothing much. And no president can do much until the general population has become overwhelmingly pro-life. That's the job of the anti-abortion movement, and they're not doing it, as far as I can see from the outside looking in.

I had to read a while to get to your point. Obviously you are a Rooty Rooter who suffers from the delusion that Rooty could be president if the "intolerant" pro-lifers would just disregard the murder of over 3500 babies per day.

I have news for you, a president CAN do something. We are one Supreme Court vote away from overturning Roe v. Wade, it is the president who will appoint this justice and neither Hitlery NOR Rooty will appoint a pro-life conservative who will vote this way.

At the Supreme Court level, public opinion DOES NOT MATTER, the country WAS NOT pro-abortion in 1973 and as it stands the majority of the country IS pro-life.

CBS News Poll: 54 Percent of Americans Take Pro-Life Position on Abortion

11 posted on 11/03/2007 2:45:17 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: narby
No doubt about it education is a good thing.

Abortion is not about saving women’s lives!

Studies Find Abortions Have Long-Term Effects

Study: Previous Abortions Linked With Pre-Term Birth and Cerebral Palsy

45,951,133

Total Abortions since 1973

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Why the drop after 1960? (in deaths of women from illegal abortions)

The reasons were new and better antibiotics, better surgery and the establishment of intensive care units in hospitals. This was in the face of a rising population. Between 1967 and 1970 sixteen states legalized abortion. In most it was limited, only for rape, incest and severe fetal handicap (life of mother was legal in all states). There were two big exceptions — California in 1967, and New York in 1970 allowed abortion on demand. Now look at the chart carefully.

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Abortion Statistics - Decision to Have an Abortion (U.S.)

· 25.5% of women deciding to have an abortion want to postpone childbearing

· 21.3% of women cannot afford a baby

· 14.1% of women have a relationship issue or their partner does not want a child

· 12.2% of women are too young (their parents or others object to the pregnancy)

· 10.8% of women feel a child will disrupt their education or career

· 7.9% of women want no (more) children

· 3.3% of women have an abortion due to a risk to fetal health

2.8% of women have an abortion due to a risk to maternal health

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So how many women’s lives have been saved by abortion?

Only about 3% of abortions since 1972 were reported to be “due to a risk to maternal health.” A reasonable person would recognize that not all of those cases represent a lethal risk. But let’s say they did. That means that nearly 45 million fetuses were butchered to save the lives of about 1.3 million women. Or put another way; 35 babies are killed to save each woman.

Abortion was legal in all 50 states prior to Roe v. Wade in cases of danger to the life of the woman.

Roe v Wade: FULL Text (The Decision that wiped out an entire Generation 33 years ago today)

18 posted on 11/03/2007 4:27:29 PM PDT by TigersEye (Are your parents Pro-Choice? I guess you got lucky! ... Is your spouse? Your doctor?)
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