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SC Poll: Romney Rises, Hillary Leads (Fred leading)
Time blog ^ | November 1, 2007 | TOM BEVAN

Posted on 11/01/2007 7:41:08 PM PDT by tompster76

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To: tompster76

Loving the Romneymania!

I have not been this excited by politics in a long, long time. Romney has nearly every credential I could ask for in a candidate. Well spoken, proven record in business and management, financially successful, lives family values, charismatic, intelligent as an understatement, very electable and telegenic. The only thing that I think of that damages him is that he’s a Mormon. Frankly, as that is the best that he can be slimed with, I think he’s an ideal candidate.


41 posted on 11/02/2007 4:17:02 AM PDT by Dragonspirit (We fight it out as good friends now, but in 2008 we UNITE against our enemy!)
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To: Ingtar
The discussion I am seeing is based on one polling firm that seems at real variance with the other polls conducted in the same state. That one poll is so wildly out of synch with the others that it skews the average completely. Yes, it saddens me to see such a phony candidate rising in the polls and a solid Conservative that I can vote for slipping. But I think that the “Romney surge” is being drastically overstated by this one polling firm.

That one polling firm takes polls all over the U.S. I don't hear you whiners complaining about ARG in other states where your candidate is leading, according to that firm. Why can't you just take the ARG polls for what they're worth - simply data points indicating the level of support for each candidate - instead of taking it personally and having a childish fit over their results.

42 posted on 11/02/2007 5:49:04 AM PDT by Spiff (<------ Click here for Go Mitt! www.mittromney.com)
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To: Spiff
What is wrong with your tag line? It is supposed to say "Click here for updated polling results."

Maybe this will fix it.

43 posted on 11/02/2007 5:51:20 AM PDT by Spiff (<------ Click here for updated polling results. Go Mitt! www.mittromney.com)
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To: tompster76
Comparing the current poll versus the last poll they did back in May 07 gives the following results. In effect the race is narrowing and crunch time is coming for the candidates......

The top three Republican candidates are in a statistical dead-heat, with Fred Thompson getting 17.9 percent of the vote, and Rudolph Giuliani and Mitt Romney each receiving 16. 5 percent. In the previous Winthrop/ETV horserace poll, conducted in May 2007, when Thompson had yet to declare his candidacy, Giuliani led the pack with 18.6 percent, Romney had 11.7 percent and the undeclared Thompson posted 6.4 percent.  This means that since May, among registered Republican voters in SC, Thompson has gone up 179.7 percent, Romney, who has waged an aggressive ad campaign in the Palmetto State, has increased 41 percent, and Giuliani has dropped 11.3 percent.

Click the following link for complete results of the poll:

WINTHROP/ETV POLL RESULTS:

AMONG LIKELY REPUBLICAN PRIMARY VOTERS

 

If the Republican presidential primary election were held today, which of these candidates would you vote for? [names rotated]

Sam Brownback* 0.2
Rudy Giuliani 16.5
Mike Huckabee 5.4
Duncan Hunter 0.8
John McCain 9.2
Ron Paul 2.1
Mitt Romney 16.5
Tom Tancredo 0.6
Fred Thompson 17.9
Undecided/Not Sure 29.9
Refused 1.0
*Brownback's name was removed when he officially withdrew from the race.

44 posted on 11/02/2007 7:15:10 AM PDT by deport (>>>--Iowa Caucuses .. 62 days and counting--<<< [ Meanwhile:-- Cue Spooky Music--])
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To: tompster76
That's great news! Fred's in the lead, and hasn't yet spent a dime on advertising. And Romney, for all his money, has only bought second place.

And all this before the post-election day advertising blitz : )

45 posted on 11/02/2007 8:06:43 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: WOSG
A conservative hero.

Indeed. DeMint was one of five senators to get a 100 percent rating by the American Conservative Union last year. His lifetime rating is 98 percent. I think it speaks volumes that DeMint trusts Mitt Romney to do the right thing.

In any event, Mitt is clearly the ONE trending upward in South Carolina. :-)

46 posted on 11/02/2007 9:01:23 AM PDT by redgirlinabluestate (Common sense conservatives unite 4 Mitt 2defeat Rudy and then Hillary)
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To: Dragonspirit
... proven record in business and management ...

Yes, and a proven record of pushing for government-run health care, a proven record of caving often to the homosexual agenda, a proven record of placating leftist environmentalists ... this, compared to Fred Thompson, who has a proven record of standing up and facing down with words and votes the homosexual agenda, leftist environmentalism, and Big Government.

"Proven record in business and management, financially successful, lives family values ..." You could say the same about uber-liberal Bill Gates. Romney has a FAILED RECORD in the conservative philosophy of smaller government.

Please, wake up. The country you harm with your vote for Romney may be your own!!! AND MINE!!!

47 posted on 11/02/2007 9:26:53 AM PDT by Finny (There are many enemies in our work. One of them is envy. -- A British naval officer)
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To: Finny
Not true.

Mitt's term as Governor was a remarkable success story of fiscal conservatism in government.

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Club For Growth: Governor Romney "Imposed Some Much-Needed Fiscal Discipline On A Very Liberal Massachusetts Legislature." "[O]n balance, he imposed some much-needed fiscal discipline on a very liberal Massachusetts Legislature." (The Club For Growth, "Mitt Romney's Record On Economic Issues," Press Release, 8/21/07)

Club For Growth: To Close The Budget Gap, Governor Romney Forced The Legislature To Pass "Tremendous Spending Cuts." "Governor Romney receives credit for actual spending in FY 2003, even though he entered office halfway into the fiscal year, because of the tremendous spending cuts he forced down the Legislature's throat in January of 2003. Facing a $650 million deficit he inherited from the previous administration, Romney convinced the unfriendly State Legislature to grant him unilateral power to make budget cuts and unveiled $343 million in cuts to cities, healthcare, and state agencies. This fiscal discipline continued in 2004, in which Romney continued to slash 'nearly every part of state government' to close a $3 billion deficit." (The Club For Growth, "Mitt Romney's Record On Economic Issues," Press Release, 8/21/07)

Club For Growth: Governor Romney "Attempted To Cut Down On Government Spending By Streamlining Many Duplicative And Wasteful Elements On Beacon Hill." "To his credit, Romney attempted to cut down on government spending by streamlining many duplicative and wasteful elements of Beacon Hill. ... Governor Romney successfully consolidated the social service and public health bureaucracy and restructured the Metropolitan District Commission. Romney even eliminated half of the executive branch's press positions, saving $1.2 million." (The Club For Growth, "Mitt Romney's Record On Economic Issues," Press Release, 8/21/07)

48 posted on 11/02/2007 9:53:35 AM PDT by redgirlinabluestate (Common sense conservatives unite 4 Mitt 2defeat Rudy and then Hillary)
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To: Finny
placating leftist environmentalists

I don't think so.

Governor Mitt Romney issued the following statement on the current environmental debate. Saying that South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford was right on this issue, he continued:

"Unfortunately, some in the Republican Party are embracing the radical environmental ideas of the liberal left. As governor, I found that thoughtful environmentalism need not be anti-growth and anti-jobs. But Kyoto-style sweeping mandates, imposed unilaterally in the United States, would kill jobs, depress growth and shift manufacturing to the dirtiest developing nations."

"Republicans should never abandon pro-growth conservative principles in an effort to embrace the ideas of Al Gore. Instead of sweeping mandates, we must use America's power of innovation to develop alternative sources of energy and new technologies that use energy more efficiently."

Governor Romney opposed mandatory, Kyoto-like “global warming” regulations in Massachusetts, opting instead for voluntary, pro-growth measures to increase energy efficiency of businesses, reduce carbon emissions and improve the environment with the Massachusetts Climate Protection Plan. ( Massachusetts, May 6, 2004)

49 posted on 11/02/2007 10:05:20 AM PDT by redgirlinabluestate (Common sense conservatives unite 4 Mitt 2defeat Rudy and then Hillary)
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To: redgirlinabluestate
Good for Romney for successfully making government more efficient, but it IS DIFFERENT AND A POOR COMPARISON. Romney advocates more efficient government, while Thompson promotes LESS GOVERNMENT ALTOGETHER, including government interference in private affairs from business to health care. There is a big difference. Like I said, uber-liberal Bill Gates is a great businessman who would probably bring great business savvy to streamlining government entities. But he would be a piss-poor representative of true Republican small-government principles and a BAD harbinger for the future of the Republican party -- and so would Romney.
50 posted on 11/02/2007 10:05:56 AM PDT by Finny (There are many enemies in our work. One of them is envy. -- A British naval officer)
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To: Finny
Romney can accomplish BOTH -- more EFFICIENT government and LESS GOVERNMENT ALTOGETHER.

And, MOST IMPORTANTLY, he has something which Fred DOES NOT --- the campaign organization, the political strategy, the personal will and the money (his and ours) to BEAT RUDY and then Hillary.

51 posted on 11/02/2007 10:10:37 AM PDT by redgirlinabluestate (Common sense conservatives unite 4 Mitt 2defeat Rudy and then Hillary)
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To: redgirlinabluestate
Oh, excuse me! Really!!!

"I found that thoughtful environmentalism need not be anti-growth and anti-jobs." and "... opting instead for voluntary, pro-growth measures to increase energy efficiency of businesses, reduce carbon emissions and improve the environment with the Massachusetts Climate Protection Plan. "

That IS caving to leftist environmentalism!!!!

I make a living slinging bull, and I recognize it when I see it. Regarding leftist environmentalism, Romney is talking out both sides of his mouth. Thompson has come right out and challenged the whole premise of Global Warming. He is one of the few Republicans who's been willing to face it down. Romney has wiffled-waffled and tried to please everybody with all the placating stuff you list in your post. WAKE UP!!!

52 posted on 11/02/2007 10:11:13 AM PDT by Finny (There are many enemies in our work. One of them is envy. -- A British naval officer)
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To: redgirlinabluestate

No, Romney is a big government guy, and all the good organization and campain money in the world won’t change that. WAKE UP.


53 posted on 11/02/2007 10:11:54 AM PDT by Finny (There are many enemies in our work. One of them is envy. -- A British naval officer)
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To: Finny
Your spinning now. Romney is NOT a BIG government guy and Sen DeMint would not have endorsed him and signed on as his National Co-chair if he was.

The choice is Rudy or Mitt. Pick one. WAKE UP!

54 posted on 11/02/2007 10:15:07 AM PDT by redgirlinabluestate (Common sense conservatives unite 4 Mitt 2defeat Rudy and then Hillary)
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To: redgirlinabluestate

Frankly, Romney-Care and his placating of leftist environmentalism AND his caving to the homosexual agenda makes him only marginally better than Rudy. I am distressed that so many people continue to turn a blind eye to Romney’s essential betrayal of true small-government, free-market, free-people Republican principles, only because he’s a businessman with a lot of dough and good looks. I would bet that Romney is a good and well-meaning man, but a small government Republican HE AIN’T.


55 posted on 11/02/2007 10:16:02 AM PDT by Finny (There are many enemies in our work. One of them is envy. -- A British naval officer)
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To: redgirlinabluestate
If he's not a big government guy, when why does he think the government should be involved in health care and health insurance issues between private citizens and their employers?

He's a big government guy. Face it.

56 posted on 11/02/2007 10:17:09 AM PDT by Finny (There are many enemies in our work. One of them is envy. -- A British naval officer)
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To: redgirlinabluestate
The choice is Rudy or Mitt.

That's the destructive option that blinded-by-money-and-looks folks are trying to create in this primary. With either Rudy or Mitt, the future of the Republican party, its attraction to young thinking voters, is deeply damaged becuase both Romney and Rudy are Low Sodium Democrats when it comes to government. Thompson is a Republican in the best sense, and you hurt the cause of Republicanism by pushing Romney.

57 posted on 11/02/2007 10:19:58 AM PDT by Finny (There are many enemies in our work. One of them is envy. -- A British naval officer)
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To: Finny
Repeating the distortions, lies and half-truths the second and third time doesn't make them so. Romney did not placate or cave. In fact, those who know him best applaud him for his nearly Herculean efforts in Massachusetts. Freeper Plutarch said it best (have to drag it out again):

Romney in Massachusetts was fighting upstream against raging left-wing rapids, while Thompson (R-TN) was lazily drifting along barely paddling downstream along Tennessee’s right wing current.

58 posted on 11/02/2007 10:23:49 AM PDT by redgirlinabluestate (Common sense conservatives unite 4 Mitt 2defeat Rudy and then Hillary)
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To: Finny
Thompson is a Republican in the best sense, and you hurt the cause of Republicanism by pushing Romney.

Thompson is a fine Republican. But his ACU ratings are not much higher than McCain's and his senate career is highlighted with his compromise with the dems, his alliance with the Gang of 14 and his support for McCain-Feingold.

I think pushing Thompson hurts our cause as it seems to offer more of the same inside the beltway shenanigans. I think Romney offers us a clean break from Washington, D.C. business as usual. It is a chance to put a new, efficient, successful, positive, optimistic, intelligent spin on conservatism. Excellence and efficiency would be a nice change. Plus, did I mention that he can actually beat Rudy and then Hillary?

We will have to agree to disagree yet again, my FRiend, Finny.

59 posted on 11/02/2007 10:35:09 AM PDT by redgirlinabluestate (Common sense conservatives unite 4 Mitt 2defeat Rudy and then Hillary)
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To: Neu Pragmatist
Nonsense. I’m saying that given the enormous amount of resources Mitt’s pumped into SC and other states , he’s not looking nearly as strong as he should be .

Oh? How high "should" he be, given his investment, and given that many here predicted he would never gain traction in SC, given his Yankee pedigree? And on what numbers do you base your analysis? Do you have actual figures on what sort of raw spending it takes to move the numbers X percent?

Or is your estimation of "should be" about as objective as a Democrats' estimation of "fair share"? It would seem, given Mitt's position in every state he has targeted, that the multi-millionaire investor knows better than you what is a worthwhile expenditure. Right now he is in a position to actually sweep most of the pre-Feb 5 primaries, except FL.

I like Fred, but I've gotta say some of his supporters here are, um, less than objective when it comes to his campaign's shortcomings. It started late and it started slow. If he doesn't move his tail, he's gonna get it waxed. And, as long as it isn't Rudy or Paul that do it, I won't be all that bothered, because I don't think Thompson's campaign team is in the same league as Hillary's. I'd rather see him lose now to a worthy competitor than get stomped like Dole did when he ran a lackluster campaign.

The World Outside is not FR; the few percent that Bush won by in '04 are looking for something distinctively different from Bush now. If Fred takes this mosey along, Southern Comfort style into the General, the Queen of Mean will eat his lunch and half his dinner before Fred gets up for breakfast. It's going to take dynamism to beat the machine.

60 posted on 11/02/2007 11:14:56 AM PDT by LexBaird (Behold, thou hast drinken of the Aide of Kool, and are lost unto Men.)
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