[b_sharp]

"I understand what you are saying, and I will try to come back to you on all of that.

"My original statement? I am guessing that it is this

"So many myths in evolution, one being the imperfectly self replicating molecule...

No, everything but that.

"For now, I ask that you read back to yourself what you wrote to me, (forget about any cell) and really think about what you are saying as to any molecule, complex or simple.

Are you referring to my comment about self replicating? If not, please be a little clearer.

[valkyry1]

I am trying to leave it as wide open as I can for you. I am trying to get you to see how many assumptions your ideas are based on, and I wonder how many of you fellows have ever really analyzed those assumptions.

You said: Abiogensis does not require that a modern cell spontaneously arise, what it does require is an imperfectly self replicating molecule subject to some time consistent selection, even remotely.

I said: So many myths in evolution, one being the imperfectly self replicating molecule... subject to some time consistent selection’ arising up out of the morass

You: What is hypothesized and is currently under research, is that a smaller less complex molecule, which in no way, other than possibly using amino acids, resembles a modern cell, through the processes of self replication and selection passed through many iterations, eventually developed into a modern cell.

Then I said: Okay.., here.., Take any molecule, H2O or any other molecule you might choose, or any imaginary or mythical molecule which may have existed now or in the past, and using your statement there, demonstrate the veracity of your assertion.

I don't know how many hints I have to give you, H2O is formed by H electro-chemically bonding with two O2 atoms, and then it is very stable under most conditions. Methane when it burns it is no longer methane, (reaching back into the memory) I would guess it is water, CO2 and maybe a few other by products.

There are no molecules internal or external to the cell, that are not brought about by other chemical processes. DNA RNA, etc., are created in the cell and used by the cell, but those chemicals too, are brought about by forces outside of them.

A molecule has neither the energy nor the volition to ‘self replicate’

Like I said: So many myths in evolution, one being the imperfectly self replicating molecule... subject to some time consistent selection’ arising up out of the morass