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Hillary Clinton Grade: C-
Time magazine ^ | October 31, 2007 | by Mark Halperin

Posted on 10/31/2007 11:35:44 AM PDT by Baladas

Fell off the tough-shrill balance beam onto the "shrill" side — with a THUD. More defensive than usual, and at times too political and too hot tempered.

Borderline disastrous moment at the end when she gave an equivocal answer about drivers licenses for illegal immigrants in New York; it opened the door for her opponents to pounce by turning it into a character issue — and pounce they did.

The failure of her performance was cumulative, however, so only those watching the whole debate would see how weak her evening was. If she loses the nomination, tonight will go down in history as the first step to her defeat — — no fatal "Dean Scream" catastrophe, but far from her finest moment, to say the least.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; cigar; debate; democratparty; democratprimary; election2008; elections; hillary; hillaryclinton; intern
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Well, her lead is so huge she probably won't be affected by her performance yesterday that much, but this is the best of the Democrats running - the other two are inexperienced in comparison.

She's so out on the far left now, she'll never be able to pose as a centrist again. In the meantime, she should lay off the primary debates - there's only something to lose as far as she's concerned.

1 posted on 10/31/2007 11:35:46 AM PDT by Baladas
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To: Baladas

If weak sisters Obama and Edwards can best her in a debate, that spells trouble for the commie witch.


2 posted on 10/31/2007 11:37:36 AM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: Baladas

....no fatal “Dean Scream” catastrophe,.... Give it time, just give it time.


3 posted on 10/31/2007 11:38:59 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Baladas

Maybe Bill will take Russert to the woodshed like he did Sam Donaldson. Hillary is accustomed to the media taking better care of her than Russert did last night. The new Democrats couldn’t survive a week with the treatment Republican candidates recieve from the MSM.


4 posted on 10/31/2007 11:40:54 AM PDT by Spok (Fides familia et patria.)
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To: Baladas

“it opened the door for her opponents to pounce by turning it into a character issue — and pounce they did.”

That was “pouncing”??

It looked to me like they were afraid she’d crush their gonads if they pounced on her. They treat her with kid gloves out of stark fear.


5 posted on 10/31/2007 11:42:14 AM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: Baladas

C-?
F.


6 posted on 10/31/2007 11:42:55 AM PDT by darkangel82 (And the band played on....)
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To: Baladas

We should also point out that she said her experience came from 30 years as an advocate for educating children in Arkansas. Didn’t she raise the educational standards from a rank of 50 to 49?


7 posted on 10/31/2007 11:43:29 AM PDT by Exton1
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To: Baladas
If she loses the nomination, tonight will go down in history as the first step to her defeat

She will win the nomination going away...

The Clintons are a cult and have enough money and fanatical voters to win the nomination from their party. Whether she wins the presidency depends on who the Republicans nominate. If it's anyone other than Rudy, she wins.

8 posted on 10/31/2007 11:44:50 AM PDT by Snardius
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If it’s anyone other than Rudy, she wins.

How many times have we debunked that stupid RINO talking point?


9 posted on 10/31/2007 11:47:27 AM PDT by darkangel82 (And the band played on....)
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To: Exton1

Didn’t she raise the educational standards from a rank of 50 to 49?

Nope. Exactly the opposite.

While she was ‘in charge’ the schools in AZ went from 49th to 50th.


10 posted on 10/31/2007 11:48:02 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (- Attention all planets of the solar Federation--Secret plan codeword: Banana)
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To: Exton1

I think she “raised?” it from 47 to 50.


11 posted on 10/31/2007 11:48:24 AM PDT by Newfy
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To: Baladas

Dems are still careful with Hillary - if you think she messed up - wait until she goes up against a Republican... and no, she can’t stay away from debates - the stories of her inability to come clean will haunt her - and haunt her - and haunt her.


12 posted on 10/31/2007 11:48:28 AM PDT by GOPJ (When it makes you mad -- "ping & grrrr" -- Freeper:pandoraou812)
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The new Democrats couldn’t survive a week with the treatment Republican candidates recieve from the MSM.

That, my FRiend, is an undeniable fact. Any one of our candidates, even Dr. Demento, could make the entire Dem field look like circus clowns in a debate.

This just highlights what anyone paying attention to Shrillery has known for a long time. She's so far from being "the smartest woman in the world", she should be taking the short bus to her campaign stops. I don't think it'll matter much, though. When it comes down to the wire, the MSM will continue to provide deep cover for their "anointed one"

13 posted on 10/31/2007 11:49:21 AM PDT by lonevoice (It's always "Apologize to a Muslim Hour"...somewhere)
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To: Baladas
She's so out on the far left now, she'll never be able to pose as a centrist again. In the meantime, she should lay off the primary debates - there's only something to lose as far as she's concerned.

What proof do you have that she was ever on the far left? Once she has the nomination in had any evidence will be buried by the MSM and she will be shown as the reasonable moderate choice vs. far far right wing arch-conservatives like Giuliani.

< /I wish it was sarcasm>

14 posted on 10/31/2007 11:49:41 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (May the heirs of Charles Martel and Jan Sobieski rise up again to defend Europe.)
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To: Baladas
C- is too high. From the part I saw, I would give her D-. The stupid smile and constant hand movements - meant to distract from her inability and/or unwillingness to answer questions. Flip-flopping, evasive, uninformed, muddled, at points looking silly and insincere - that is how I would describe her.
15 posted on 10/31/2007 11:51:51 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: darkangel82

There’s some new poll that has Rudy ahead of Mrs. Bill.


16 posted on 10/31/2007 11:53:06 AM PDT by karnage
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To: Baladas

It’s time to draft Al Gore and a third party candidate.


17 posted on 10/31/2007 11:54:07 AM PDT by mainerforglobalwarming
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To: KarlInOhio

She’s been a senator for seven years - she’s been all over the place on Iraq and comes off as a fake. She made terrible votes, like the Rush Limbaugh “censureship”. Now this alliance with Spitzer, she’s taking the losing side again.

In any of these debates, she’s been unimpressive. The MSM will fawn at her feet and gloss over her liberal record, but they’re not all that significant anymore - she is going to have to do turn out all her base, and “men of color” will NOT vote for her, they will stay home.


18 posted on 10/31/2007 11:57:27 AM PDT by Baladas
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To: Baladas
The failure of her performance was cumulative, however, so only those watching the whole debate would see how weak her evening was.

Fortunately for her it was on MSNBC, and if you subtract Freepers and her devotees in the media, it was seen by an audience of about ten.

19 posted on 10/31/2007 12:03:10 PM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: darkangel82
How many times have we debunked that stupid RINO talking point?

I don't know...how many? And what makes you think she can be beaten by any of the other guys in the race?

If Mitt wins, the Christian Right stays home...if Fred wins the Clinton machine will eat him up...if McCain wins there won't be a Republican running for president.

So who...?

20 posted on 10/31/2007 12:04:53 PM PDT by Snardius
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