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To: Colofornian
Maybe some of the problems we have these days within Evangelicalism is that too many separate theology (who God is) from too many other aspects of life. They separate who God is from politics.

Or we simply render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's. Not exactly an unchristian position.

I would love to have a president who was also a perfect Christian (although I haven't yet met one), but I don't look to any politician for spiritual guidance. I already gave that job to Christ.

38 posted on 10/31/2007 1:10:24 PM PDT by inkling (exurbanleague.com)
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To: inkling
Or we simply render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's. Not exactly an unchristian position.

But even here we're confused as to what is Caesar's and what--and often who--is the Lord's. Prime Example: We treat our neighbors, the pre-born, as an impersonal "political" "issue"...instead of treating them as our personal neighbors (undoubtedly, then, that's tied in to our personal, relational, moral, and theological commitments).

I would love to have a president who was also a perfect Christian (although I haven't yet met one)...

(tell me, specifically WHO is calling for one?...I think this is in part, a straw man...the other part is like asking your 4 kids, "What do you want for dinner?" & hearing 4 different responses & then concluding, "How am I going going to come up with a dinner that will appeal to all 4 kids?"...The "perfect" dinner...In reality, it's NOT really that the situation even calls for a "perfect dinner" & NONE of the 4 kids is vying for a truly "perfect" dinner...it's just that's the way the parent interprets the requests).

...but I don't look to any politician for spiritual guidance. I already gave that job to Christ.

Well, I started to think, "Yes, but..." BUT then realized, "Hey, I really need to fully affirm this."

I really think you are wise in having handed this over to Christ. (And I REALLY mean that)

My only caveat to all of this is to not distract us as voters from doing exactly that, but to add a consideration:

The Bible shows that true successful leadership in public office is done by those who fear the the true Lord & who do not worship false gods/idols. The OT is replete w/ such examples. The Israelites had secular kings, not "pastors in chief." But that didn't mean that these kings' ministrations were any less a "ministry." Romans 13 makes it clear that public office is also a "ministry." Those who contend against this are openly militating against this Scripture. It doesn't mean that public officeholders administrate in a parochial way; it just means that public office is a "ministry of service" just like the soup kitchen down the street. History (biblical & otherwise) shows that the more pagan or counterfeit god that a leader holds, the more trouble that leader's "exhaust" settles on the people-at-large. Kings & presidents need all the grace, mercy, & guidance possible, since God gets more credit for preserving & directing leaders than we care to give Him credit for. Therefore, one who worships a false god & has no true relationship w/the living God is stifling access to God's resources; & a nation may suffer for that.

Now, how does this "principle" then play out in a POTUS role? Well, if you watched "Jack Bauer" & "24" this past season, we had a POTUS who had to deal with the immediate threat of multiple dirty bombs. Now, you or I may not be looking for "spiritual guidance" from our POTUS, but believe me, in an era of open terrorism, I think you and I would both like to have a POTUS who is at least on decent prayer terms with the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Paul...and isn't afraid in a crisis to pray directly to Jesus...something LDS won't do.

41 posted on 10/31/2007 1:37:11 PM PDT by Colofornian
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