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Pope to Druggists: Shun Immoral Scripts
AP ^ | October 30, 2007 | NICOLE WINFIELD

Posted on 10/30/2007 5:37:03 AM PDT by NYer

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To: dit_xi
Rape is a terrible thing. Abortion is far worse. I remember a scene in the movie “Schindler’s List” where the camp commandant’s pistol continuously misfired as he tried to put a bullet into a Jewish Rabbi’s head. Oh how frustrating (sarcasm). The camp commandant could only pistol whip the Rabbi and the terrified Jew was spared via the Grace of God.

I really don’t feel bad for the rape victim who’s unable to abort her baby. I wish to Jesus Christ in all sincerity that the mother would accept the baby and leave open the possibility for adoption considering stress and age.

Like I said before. Rape is terrible; but, abortion is far worse.

21 posted on 10/30/2007 8:59:08 AM PDT by SaltyJoe (Lenin legalized abortion. Afterward, every life was fair game for Death)
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To: marshmallow
The article should read: Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich, DEMOCRAT...
22 posted on 10/30/2007 9:01:10 AM PDT by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: Rutles4Ever

Apples and oranges comparison. If the “terms of employment” for a doctor requires him to perform abortions and he accepts employment under those terms - yes! Usually, a doctor sets his own terms of employment; a pharmacist does not.

If a pharmacist wants to set up his own independently owned and operated pharmacy he can refuse to dispense any drug he desires for any reason. His clients can go elsewhere to get their prescribed drug - or not!


23 posted on 10/30/2007 9:13:25 AM PDT by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: SaltyJoe

“I really don’t feel bad for the rape victim who’s unable to abort her baby”

That statement is fair enough. The problem is that we should feel bad for a rape victim. They have experienced a trauma and violation which can be debilitating and devastating. That doesn’t mean I believe they should be able to abort their babies, but I do feel bad for them. We all should. As a follower of Jesus, I would hope this is true for you as well. They are victims too, which many seem to forget.

Like I said, I don’t believe a baby should be aborted because it is conceived in a rape. Preventing the pregnancy from occuring is another matter. If the patient hasn’t ovulated, prevention can safely take place. Plan B can do this. There is much research which indicates that Plan B may not prevent implantation, as previously thought. I am not 100% convinced, but I am close. It would be a wonderful thing if rape victims had a means to prevent pregnancy, which did not result in the possible abortion of the child. I am encouraged by the studies I have read.


24 posted on 10/30/2007 9:39:48 AM PDT by ga medic
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To: Varda
I’m glad I never experienced this. I think it’s the height of arrogance for a pharmacist to judge a patient based on this prescription. It's not a matter of arrogance or judgment. The pharmacist refusing to fill the prescription may be obligated by adherence to Catholic moral teaching to avoid filling such prescriptions. Furthermore, since he's not permitted (as far as I'm aware) to ask why a certain drug has been prescribed, it's best for his conscience to error on the side of not dispensing it. And for every pharmacist who refuses to fill these prescriptions, there are many others who will not.
25 posted on 10/30/2007 9:42:54 AM PDT by djrakowski
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To: TexasRedeye

“If a pharmacist wants to set up his own independently owned and operated pharmacy he can refuse to dispense any drug he desires for any reason.”

Unless the law requires him to dispense these drugs.


26 posted on 10/30/2007 9:44:57 AM PDT by djrakowski
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To: netmilsmom
As for the story of the girl, I smell a little BS. Before Plan B, doctors were giving multiple BC pills to do the same thing. Hospitals don’t “run out of pills” without a backup plan. If the girl was truly sexually assulted, a rape kit would have been used then easily a D&C could be performed. You were fooled, my FRiend. No, I was not duped. The police brought the girl to our Emergency Dept. and called the parents. We did collect forensic specimens per routine procedures and turned them over to the police. On microscopy, there was evidence of spermatozoa. The case did go to trial and I was there to testify. The perps were convicted based on DNA evidence I collected. As to the hospital running out of pills, there was a period of time a few years ago in which the manufacturer of Ovral had a supply shortage across the board. Ovral is the only ECP that is on our hospital formulary. And another bit of information, no one does a D&C status post a sexual assault. It is not a routine procedure performed by any gynecologist I know of immediately after a rape case.
27 posted on 10/30/2007 9:47:58 AM PDT by dit_xi
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To: netmilsmom

This girl was slipped something in her drink, and then raped, so there were most likely no symptoms of violence. IMO this doctor did a good thing, and provided a suggestion that I will personally pass along to ER physicians. I would think he is right about most pharmacists being willing to fill scripts for EC and for birth control pills if the doctor explains the situation.

As for the substitute of a D&C for the availablility of EC, that isn’t even logical, and even if it was, it would be terribly traumatic at age 14. Birth contol pills can work as a substitute, but the dosing isn’t exact, because that isn’t their intended use. If he believed it would be easy for this family to fill a script, that would have been the obvious choice.

My apologies to the original poster, for not copying him on this post. I am in a bit of a hurry.


28 posted on 10/30/2007 9:49:44 AM PDT by ga medic
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To: djrakowski

Shouldn’t a good Catholic pharmacist also refuse to sell birth control pils, diaphrams, spermicidal foam and condoms? All kill off POTENTIAL children and are not allowed by the church.


29 posted on 10/30/2007 9:55:29 AM PDT by gracesdad
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To: netmilsmom
The poster didn’t say the pharmacy didn’t carry them only that there were personal objections to this person (a girl) getting this drug (Ovral - BCPs). Read his last paragraph. The pharmacy's in question stock the drugs. If it’s true as written, the pharmacists are setting themselves up as moral judges of patients they don’t know.
30 posted on 10/30/2007 9:57:18 AM PDT by Varda
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To: djrakowski

It’s arrogance to assume someone is doing something evil based on no evidence. Because a thing CAN be abused is no reason to believe that anyone who has that thing is abusing it.

That said there are drugs that have no approved medical function. I believe the Holy Father is actually objecting to those.


31 posted on 10/30/2007 10:02:16 AM PDT by Varda
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To: gracesdad
Shouldn’t a good Catholic pharmacist also refuse to sell birth control pils, diaphrams, spermicidal foam and condoms?

And a good vegan grocery checker should refuse to sell meet, eggs, chicken and fish because each kill off animals.

Where does it stop?

32 posted on 10/30/2007 10:03:04 AM PDT by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: trumandogz
And a good vegan grocery checker should refuse to sell meat, eggs, chicken and fish because each kill off animals.
33 posted on 10/30/2007 10:05:19 AM PDT by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: djrakowski
Unless the law requires him to dispense these drugs.

If he accepts the "terms of employment" set by any authority from which he accepts employment (private or gubmint), he is bound by those terms. If he doesn't like or can't accept the dictated terms of employment for the profession he has chosen, he has the "right" to seek employment elsewhere and/or to change professions!

Regardless of what the Pope thinks or says (or anyone else for that matter), neither a pharmacist nor a sewer cleaner has the the "right" to set his own terms of employment unless he is his own employer. Even then, he is bound by the laws regulating his chosen profession if he wants to practice that profession.

34 posted on 10/30/2007 10:08:22 AM PDT by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: TexasRedeye
The article should read: Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich, DEMOCRAT...

What's your point?

One of my cousins was a pharmacist for a while on a college campus, and every employee there could refuse to fill a prescription if they thought it was immoral. This is a reasonable measure of freedom of conscience that should be respected.
35 posted on 10/30/2007 10:18:57 AM PDT by DarkSavant
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To: trumandogz
And a good vegan grocery checker should refuse to sell meet, eggs, chicken and fish because each kill off animals.

Where does it stop?

And Muslims should be able to not ring up pork if they are a cashier at a grocery store. Or transport alochol in cabs.

Or.....

36 posted on 10/30/2007 10:30:14 AM PDT by gdani
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To: gracesdad

“Shouldn’t a good Catholic pharmacist also refuse to sell birth control pils, diaphrams, spermicidal foam and condoms? All kill off POTENTIAL children and are not allowed by the church.”

Yes, he should refuse to sell birth control. A pharmacist, by choosing to become (or remain) Catholic, shouldn’t sell these items. But, for every Catholic pharmacist who refuses, there are plenty of non-Catholic pharmacists who don’t. Thus, it’s pretty much a non-issue (unless it can be used as a means to criticize that authoritarian old man in Rome who just can’t seem to get with the times!)


37 posted on 10/30/2007 10:37:23 AM PDT by djrakowski
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To: Varda

“It’s arrogance to assume someone is doing something evil based on no evidence. Because a thing CAN be abused is no reason to believe that anyone who has that thing is abusing it.”

I’d rather not live with such a possibility on my conscience. Further, it’s arrogance to assume that the pharmacist has assumed anything about the morality of another person’s actions. He’s primarily responsible for his own soul.


38 posted on 10/30/2007 10:39:21 AM PDT by djrakowski
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To: TexasRedeye

“If he accepts the “terms of employment” set by any authority from which he accepts employment (private or gubmint), he is bound by those terms. If he doesn’t like or can’t accept the dictated terms of employment for the profession he has chosen, he has the “right” to seek employment elsewhere and/or to change professions!”

Including cases in which the law was changed after he’d already become a pharmacist, and had already been exercising his conscience?


39 posted on 10/30/2007 10:40:31 AM PDT by djrakowski
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To: djrakowski
And how about the Muslim pharmacist who refuses to sell me cholesterol medication because I eat too much bacon?
40 posted on 10/30/2007 10:47:55 AM PDT by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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