Mitt Romney is a Mormon and I am a Baptist: Get Over It!

To: Old Mountain man

That’s pretty hard since I’m only 57.

Whippersnapper!

301 posted on 10/30/2007 4:54:02 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

OOOoooh!The number 151 shows up in a reply numbered 151!

How prophetic is THAT!!??

302 posted on 10/30/2007 4:55:10 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

...(I can give you plenty examples).

No need; we'll just ignore them, hand wave them, or steer you to an LDS apologetic site that will inundate you with text!

--MormonDude(Thanks, anyway)

303 posted on 10/30/2007 4:56:48 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

To: Old Mountain man

We do nothing that has no roots in the Bible and you well know it.

This is a lie; and YOU know it!

I DEFY you to find the descriptions of your SACRED Temple Rites® in the Bible!

304 posted on 10/30/2007 4:58:45 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

Dang!

How’d ol’ Joe EVER have TIME to write down ANYTHING???

305 posted on 10/30/2007 4:59:56 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

Oh, if I could answer that question, I could be rich and/or powerful. Christ, of course has the answer. It's in His teachings.

Then they'd be in the Bible; right?

306 posted on 10/30/2007 5:01:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

I mean, if polygamy was God's "Everlasting Covenant" for all peoples in all times--as LDS "Scripture" still contends (see D&C 130)--then the LDS god would not be strong-armed by some peasily little earthly government residing in some peasily little district called, "Columbia." Nor would such a god be a respecter of slave owners that He would be afraid of giving the gospel or baptizing slaves, as D&C 134:12 contends.

Boy!!

Are you wrong here!!

That 'god' is such a weenie than HE won't even tell HIS followers what to do!!

OFFICIAL DECLARATION—1

To Whom It May Concern:

Press dispatches having been sent for political purposes, from Salt Lake City, which have been widely published, to the effect that the Utah Commission, in their recent report to the Secretary of the Interior, allege that plural marriages are still being solemnized and that forty or more such marriages have been contracted in Utah since last June or during the past year, also that in public discourses the leaders of the Church have taught, encouraged and urged the continuance of the practice of polygamy—

I, therefore, as President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, do hereby, in the most solemn manner, declare that these charges are false. We are not teaching polygamy or plural marriage, nor permitting any person to enter into its practice, and I deny that either forty or any other number of plural marriages have during that period been solemnized in our Temples or in any other place in the Territory.

One case has been reported, in which the parties allege that the marriage was performed in the Endowment House, in Salt Lake City, in the Spring of 1889, but I have not been able to learn who performed the ceremony; whatever was done in this matter was without my knowledge. In consequence of this alleged occurrence the Endowment House was, by my instructions, taken down without delay.

Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriages, which laws have been pronounced constitutional by the court of last resort, I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws, and to use my influence with the members of the Church over which I preside to have them do likewise.

There is nothing in my teachings to the Church or in those of my associates, during the time specified, which can be reasonably construed to inculcate or encourage polygamy; and when any Elder of the Church has used language which appeared to convey any such teaching, he has been promptly reproved. And I now publicly declare that my advice to the Latter-day Saints is to refrain from contracting any marriage forbidden by the law of the land.

WILFORD WOODRUFF
President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

President Lorenzo Snow offered the following:

“I move that, recognizing Wilford Woodruff as the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and the only man on the earth at the present time who holds the keys of the sealing ordinances, we consider him fully authorized by virtue of his position to issue the Manifesto which has been read in our hearing, and which is dated September 24th, 1890, and that as a Church in General Conference assembled, we accept his declaration concerning plural marriages as authoritative and binding.”

The vote to sustain the foregoing motion was unanimous.

Salt Lake City, Utah, October 6, 1890.

EXCERPTS FROM THREE ADDRESSES BY
PRESIDENT WILFORD WOODRUFF
REGARDING THE MANIFESTO

The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray. It is not in the programme. It is not in the mind of God. If I were to attempt that, the Lord would remove me out of my place, and so He will any other man who attempts to lead the children of men astray from the oracles of God and from their duty. (Sixty-first Semiannual General Conference of the Church, Monday, October 6, 1890, Salt Lake City, Utah. Reported in Deseret Evening News, October 11, 1890, p. 2.)

It matters not who lives or who dies, or who is called to lead this Church, they have got to lead it by the inspiration of Almighty God. If they do not do it that way, they cannot do it at all. . . .

I have had some revelations of late, and very important ones to me, and I will tell you what the Lord has said to me. Let me bring your minds to what is termed the manifesto. . . .

The Lord has told me to ask the Latter-day Saints a question, and He also told me that if they would listen to what I said to them and answer the question put to them, by the Spirit and power of God, they would all answer alike, and they would all believe alike with regard to this matter.

The question is this: Which is the wisest course for the Latter-day Saints to pursue—to continue to attempt to practice plural marriage, with the laws of the nation against it and the opposition of sixty millions of people, and at the cost of the confiscation and loss of all the Temples, and the stopping of all the ordinances therein, both for the living and the dead, and the imprisonment of the First Presidency and Twelve and the heads of families in the Church, and the confiscation of personal property of the people (all of which of themselves would stop the practice); or, after doing and suffering what we have through our adherence to this principle to cease the practice and submit to the law, and through doing so leave the Prophets, Apostles and fathers at home, so that they can instruct the people and attend to the duties of the Church, and also leave the Temples in the hands of the Saints, so that they can attend to the ordinances of the Gospel, both for the living and the dead?

The Lord showed me by vision and revelation exactly what would take place if we did not stop this practice. If we had not stopped it, you would have had no use for . . . any of the men in this temple at Logan; for all ordinances would be stopped throughout the land of Zion. Confusion would reign throughout Israel, and many men would be made prisoners. This trouble would have come upon the whole Church, and we should have been compelled to stop the practice. Now, the question is, whether it should be stopped in this manner, or in the way the Lord has manifested to us, and leave our Prophets and Apostles and fathers free men, and the temples in the hands of the people, so that the dead may be redeemed. A large number has already been delivered from the prison house in the spirit world by this people, and shall the work go on or stop? This is the question I lay before the Latter-day Saints. You have to judge for yourselves. I want you to answer it for yourselves. I shall not answer it; but I say to you that that is exactly the condition we as a people would have been in had we not taken the course we have.

. . . I saw exactly what would come to pass if there was not something done. I have had this spirit upon me for a long time. But I want to say this: I should have let all the temples go out of our hands; I should have gone to prison myself, and let every other man go there, had not the God of heaven commanded me to do what I did do; and when the hour came that I was commanded to do that, it was all clear to me. I went before the Lord, and I wrote what the Lord told me to write. . . .

I leave this with you, for you to contemplate and consider. The Lord is at work with us. (Cache Stake Conference, Logan, Utah, Sunday, November 1, 1891. Reported in Deseret Weekly, November 14, 1891.)

Now I will tell you what was manifested to me and what the Son of God performed in this thing. . . . All these things would have come to pass, as God Almighty lives, had not that Manifesto been given. Therefore, the Son of God felt disposed to have that thing presented to the Church and to the world for purposes in his own mind. The Lord had decreed the establishment of Zion. He had decreed the finishing of this temple. He had decreed that the salvation of the living and the dead should be given in these valleys of the mountains. And Almighty God decreed that the Devil should not thwart it. If you can understand that, that is a key to it.

From a discourse at the sixth session of the dedication of the Salt Lake Temple, April 1893.

Typescript of Dedicatory Services, Archives, Church Historical Department, Salt Lake City, Utah.

So much for LEADERSHIP!!

So much for a thunderous command from HEAVEN to STOP this practice!

307 posted on 10/30/2007 5:12:17 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

To: Old Mountain man

As for any misconduct he may or may not have committed, we all know that he will have to answer to Heavenly Father, as we all shall.

Blanket response for ANY thing that the scoundel JS did or did not do.

NOTHING will change our minds that the teachings we are following are wrong!!

--MormonDude(Well... maybe GOD could.)

308 posted on 10/30/2007 5:14:49 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

If they promise to uphold the Constitution, not “promote Democracy” around the world (yet strike hard at our enemies), and just say no to nannystatist nonsense, then they have my vote.

Hell - even HILLARY will do this!

309 posted on 10/30/2007 5:18:17 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

As I recall we pass this way several times before on various threads and Sevenbak or tantibot put this out of its misery you are getting forgetful MHG!

No; this is NOT a veiled threat!

310 posted on 10/30/2007 5:19:49 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

...but we have "The Good Samaritan" parable in Scripture for a reason...

Indeed!!

Luke 10:25-37

25. On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
26. "What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"
27. He answered: "`Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind' ; and, `Love your neighbor as yourself.' "
28. "You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."
29. But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, "And who is my neighbor?"
30. In reply Jesus said: "A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he fell into the hands of robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead.
31. A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side.
32. So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side.
33. But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him.
34. He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, took him to an inn and took care of him.
35. The next day he took out two silver coins and gave them to the innkeeper. `Look after him,' he said, `and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.'
36. "Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?"
37. The expert in the law replied, "The one who had mercy on him." Jesus told him, "Go and do likewise."

The effects of the LAW are obvious in this story.

Notice the Priest and the Levite: what was REQUIRED of them?

Leviticus 21:10-12
10. "`The high priest, the one among his brothers who has had the anointing oil poured on his head and who has been ordained to wear the priestly garments, must not let his hair become unkempt or tear his clothes.
11. He must not enter a place where there is a dead body. He must not make himself unclean, even for his father or mother,
12. nor leave the sanctuary of his God or desecrate it, because he has been dedicated by the anointing oil of his God. I am the LORD.

Numbers 5:1-2
1. The LORD said to Moses,
2. "Command the Israelites to send away from the camp anyone who has an infectious skin disease or a discharge of any kind, or who is ceremonially unclean because of a dead body.

Numbers 6:1-6
1. The LORD said to Moses,
2. "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: `If a man or woman wants to make a special vow, a vow of separation to the LORD as a Nazirite,
3. he must abstain from wine and other fermented drink and must not drink vinegar made from wine or from other fermented drink. He must not drink grape juice or eat grapes or raisins.
4. As long as he is a Nazirite, he must not eat anything that comes from the grapevine, not even the seeds or skins.
5. "`During the entire period of his vow of separation no razor may be used on his head. He must be holy until the period of his separation to the LORD is over; he must let the hair of his head grow long.
6. Throughout the period of his separation to the LORD he must not go near a dead body.

Numbers 9:1-12
1. The LORD spoke to Moses in the Desert of Sinai in the first month of the second year after they came out of Egypt. He said,
2. "Have the Israelites celebrate the Passover at the appointed time.
3. Celebrate it at the appointed time, at twilight on the fourteenth day of this month, in accordance with all its rules and regulations."
4. So Moses told the Israelites to celebrate the Passover,
5. and they did so in the Desert of Sinai at twilight on the fourteenth day of the first month. The Israelites did everything just as the LORD commanded Moses.
6. But some of them could not celebrate the Passover on that day because they were ceremonially unclean on account of a dead body. So they came to Moses and Aaron that same day
7. and said to Moses, "We have become unclean because of a dead body, but why should we be kept from presenting the LORD's offering with the other Israelites at the appointed time?"
8. Moses answered them, "Wait until I find out what the LORD commands concerning you."
9. Then the LORD said to Moses,
10. "Tell the Israelites: `When any of you or your descendants are unclean because of a dead body or are away on a journey, they may still celebrate the LORD's Passover.
11. They are to celebrate it on the fourteenth day of the second month at twilight. They are to eat the lamb, together with unleavened bread and bitter herbs.
12. They must not leave any of it till morning or break any of its bones. When they celebrate the Passover, they must follow all the regulations.

Numbers 19:11
"Whoever touches the dead body of anyone will be unclean for seven days.

Numbers 19:13
   Whoever touches the dead body of anyone and fails to purify himself defiles the LORD's tabernacle. That person must be cut off from Israel. Because the water of cleansing has not been sprinkled on him, he is unclean; his uncleanness remains on him.

Numbers 19:16
   "Anyone out in the open who touches someone who has been killed with a sword or someone who has died a natural death, or anyone who touches a human bone or a grave, will be unclean for seven days.

Haggai 2:13
   Then Haggai said, "If a person defiled by contact with a dead body touches one of these things, does it become defiled?"   "Yes," the priests replied, "it becomes defiled."

So just WHERE were these two going or WHAT important rituals were about to be performed?

That poor fellow on the side of the road probably LOOKED dead, so what could THEY do except become defiled?

311 posted on 10/30/2007 5:37:14 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

To: MHGinTN; Old Mountain man

Post all the opinions you want Joseph Smith did NOT engage in adultry as youe foolsih mind would like to spin!

Yeah; you BOOBS!!!

It ain't ADULTERY when the LORD commands it!!!

--MormonDude(Stickin' up for my Sis!)

The BoM condemns the pracitce of polygamy when it is not authorized by God to do so.

This seems a bit strange, for GOD to call it an ABOMINATION, and then to COMMAND it later!!

THE BOOK OF JACOB
THE BROTHER OF NEPHI

CHAPTER 2

24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.

Dang!

Did I just post this??(MormonDude parenthectically challenged)

312 posted on 10/30/2007 5:42:33 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

To: Old Mountain man

Let’s face it: you are so biased you would not admit it if Jesus Christ himself appeared to you and said that Joseph Smith was right.

It beats being so gullible that when TWO angels of Light show up, you'd believe THEM over what the Scriptures have said!

313 posted on 10/30/2007 5:44:04 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

could have been said about Catholic priests and ministers of various faiths over the years.... who went off and started their OWN religious practice; ignoring the warnings that were known for thousands of years.

314 posted on 10/30/2007 5:45:45 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

Hey!!

You’re back!!

How was your vacation?

Got any pictures?

315 posted on 10/30/2007 5:46:36 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

Better you should go out on team-ups with the full-time missionaries to seek out the ~~pure in heart~~ gullible who are ready to receive the message of the Gospel and act on the ~~promptings of the Holy Ghost~~ vague FEELINGS....

316 posted on 10/30/2007 5:48:05 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

Jesus is indeed the only begotten of the father, but the Bible also Calls God the father, the father of spirits as you can CLEARLY read in the stuff WE consider 'scripture'!

--MormonDude(got the GOOD stuff!)

317 posted on 10/30/2007 5:49:22 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

318 posted on 10/30/2007 5:51:05 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Sanctimony: Feigned piety or righteousness; hypocritical devoutness.)

How can they marginalize us and spread their bigotry if Mitt is is a living example of how wrong they are?

HMMmm...

The Mormon Fundamentalists in Colorado City feel REAL marginalized by their brethren in SLC!

319 posted on 10/30/2007 5:52:28 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

So, the short answer is : Mormons are Christians, just not orthodox Christians.

Sigh....

If you guys would get rid of ALL THE OTHER STUFF that hangs like an albatross around your neck...

320 posted on 10/30/2007 5:54:30 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

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