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To: Democrat_media

Nowhere did I say that such advantges to science outweigh the ethical reasons why such experimentation should be forbidden. I didn’t say anything about governments or public universities, either.


11 posted on 10/29/2007 2:30:46 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

You didn’t say that but most of these silly,useless studies and experiments are done by government and government public universities , for example all the fake global warming studies.

However those who are advancing real science not fake science like the government global warming and those who are advancing technology are the private companies like the drug companies.

It’s not just that’s it ethically wrong but the constitution and laws protect people from the government using force to force someone to be experimented on. So to experiment on people government would have to change the constitution and or laws. It is these new oppressive laws which will cause more problems for everything including science than any “scientific” value which will never come anyway. Science isn’t advancing in Cuba partly because their citizens have no rights and because of socialism which doesn’t work. You can’t take away people’s rights and then have advancing technology and science . it’s because of freedom, individual rights and capitalism that science and technology are advancing. Look at how many new life saving drugs like Lipitor, diabetes drugs,AIDS drugs, antibiotics, blood pressure drugs , cancer drugs etc. that American and British companies have created lately. government hasn’t created these but tried to stop these drugs from coming to market.


18 posted on 10/29/2007 4:07:55 PM PDT by Democrat_media (If there is a need the free market will produce it. So what do we need gov for(only 3 things))
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To: Sherman Logan

What you are preaching is collectivism/socialism.

You said:
“Lots of science involving humans would advance more rapidly if experimentation on humans were allowed.”

You seem to be in favor of sacrificing an individual for the advancement of science(”the common good”). That’s collectivism. What your statement said to me was that humans should be experimented on like “scientists” experiment on monkeys or rats now. And the reason your statement means that is that now some people can volunteer for some experiments. So you want more advancement ( “the common good”) so that means that you may want people to be forced into being experimented on like animals. But then people would lose their rights in the bill of rights and constitution and we would be a totalitarian state. So people would be slaves then.Slaves do not advance science. Slaves only follow orders to stay alive and do not innovate.

You wish to put in place laws that kill people for not being productive or for being drafted into experiments. That would make people slaves . And slaves do not advance science and do not innovate. It’s those laws that you want and many others want (for other “good” reasons) to put in place that make people slaves that take away freedom . Freedom and human rights are needed for capitalism and innovation and rapid advancement of science to happen. This is why America became the greatest nation that advanced technology and science more than any other nation in history , because of the freedom,liberty and rights granted to the American people in the constitution and the bill of rights.


20 posted on 10/29/2007 5:39:48 PM PDT by Democrat_media (If there is a need the free market will produce it. So what do we need gov for(only 3 things))
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