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I don’t think you completed your thought, but anyways, again, you keep trying to say Fred is a street car, not a formula one car. You also imply that some of us are holding our bets before picking a team. However with two F1 Cars, and the requisite Yugos, we have 2 Formula 1 Cars supported on the Formula 1 site. So stop trying to say that only “True Formula 1 fans” support Duncan Hunter. There are many people as conservative as you paint yourself as being that support Thompson and have chosen him now, not sitting and waiting, just like other have done with Hunter.

As far as the rest, we are not saying Hunter is not on the track, indeed he and Fred are on the same road course, the same race. We have lapped him, and we expect to stay ahead. It is up to your team to catch up and pass us, be it by virtue of finally getting in tune and passing us, or if we break down. It is not "modern conservatism or anything, just Political fact that polls are a decent gage of success before the real thing. To ignore them is folly and give them too much credence is equally stupid. But they do give a picture of where one stands.

Outside of the analogy it is arrogant presumption to say that anyone who does not support Hunter on FR is not really a “conservative”, or is a “modern” conservative. Indeed when you talk of bandwagon jumping that is exactly what you guys are doing, jumping on the Hunter bandwagon. Otherwise you would wait until the vote. All politically active folks who declare a side are on a bandwagon for their guy.

you keep trying to say Fred is a street car, not a formula one car.
***I say that Formula1Hunter is better than Formula1Fred, with a link to back it up. And racecarFred isn’t as good as racecarRomney nor racecarTootyFruityRudyYugo.

You also imply that some of us are holding our bets before picking a team.
***I have not implied that, I have no intention of implying that, if I needed to mention it I would explicitly state it rather than imply it.

However with two F1 Cars, and the requisite Yugos, we have 2 Formula 1 Cars supported on the Formula 1 site.
***And as I’ve stated repeatedly, our Formula1Hunter car beats your Formula1Fred car in Formula1, which is what matters to formula1 fans. Street race results don’t matter that much to us formula1 fans, I’ve stated that explicitly so try not to keep coming around to that.

So stop trying to say that only “True Formula 1 fans” support Duncan Hunter.
***Don’t put words in my mouth. My words are that our Formula1Hunter car is better than your Formula1Fred Car. A quick glance at your StreetRaceFred results against a Yugo and a StreetRaceRomney don’t look so great. When your guy beats them handily, come and talk to us about why the FredCar should be considered a formula1 car.

There are many people as conservative as you paint yourself as being that support Thompson and have chosen him now, not sitting and waiting, just like other have done with Hunter.
***Straw argument. Since you’re arguing against something that I did not imply, it’s an invalid argument. In our analogy it’s like bringing up baseball statistics and saying your driver is better because his middle name is Barry Bonds.

As far as the rest, we are not saying Hunter is not on the track, indeed he and Fred are on the same road course, the same race. We have lapped him, and we expect to stay ahead.
***You have lapped him in the streetracers, not on the formula1 circuit. Just keep that straight in your head. Hunter is not doing well in streetrace events, I acknowledge that. But if your guy’s claim to fame is that he can do well in streetraces, then he should be focusing on beating the other guys with the same claim to fame.

It is up to your team to catch up and pass us, be it by virtue of finally getting in tune and passing us, or if we break down.
***That’s the plan. So far, every top Formula1 car that has been allowed onto the streetraces has won handily.

It is not “modern conservatism or anything, just Political fact that polls are a decent gage of success before the real thing.
***Nope. Back to the original point of this entire thread. MSM Polls are biased. I’ve found an unbiased measure and, interestingly enough, some of us can even make money from it. Now that’s a cool polling system.

To ignore them is folly and give them too much credence is equally stupid. But they do give a picture of where one stands.
***Then listen to what the polls said the last time around and the time before that. At this point in the race, Clinton was at 3 or 4% in 1992, and Dean was way ahead of Kerry in 2004. If polls mean something to you, then that would show that at this point in the race, ANYONE can jump ahead fast. Including Hunter.

Outside of the analogy it is arrogant presumption to say that anyone who does not support Hunter on FR is not really a “conservative”, or is a “modern” conservative.
***Well, we can have that discussion on some other thread. I happen to think we came up with a great analogy and I’m going to stick with it. If you want to argue this particular point, just wait for Pissant to come onto a FredHead thread and you can take it up with him. I’m sure he’d find it enjoyable.

Indeed when you talk of bandwagon jumping that is exactly what you guys are doing, jumping on the Hunter bandwagon.
***No, in this case the bandwagon jumping is getting onto a candidate’s side because he has the streetrace numbers. Example: aRINOld, who had lots of bandwagon jumpers because his streetrace numbers were so good, but it was at the expense of the McClintock campaign. The folks who were conservative and supported aRINOld were classic bandwagon jumpers.

Otherwise you would wait until the vote. All politically active folks who declare a side are on a bandwagon for their guy.
***Poor analogy, falls flat. Here’s an explanation of the origin of the fallacy.
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/bandwagn.html
Since we hear it all the time that Hunter is a 1%er and we’re sticking with him, what we are doing is EXACTLY the OPPOSITE of bandwagon jumping.

There are many of us here who are as conservative as any who don’t support Hunter for whatever reasons. Our level of commitment to conservative ideals is not tied to one man, we simply look for a champion to get the best fit into the halls of power as we can. That is, in the final analysis, the point, to win and make sure your principals are represented in our Federal Republic.
***So, tying back to our analogy, what you’re saying is that the streetrace is really what’s important in the end. The leverage that most fred supporters use is that, since their streetracer is better than ours at streetracing for now, we ought to be jumping on their bandwagon. But once a good Formula1 car is tuned properly, it can run circles around a good streetracer, so I’ll stick with my Formula1Hunter car and wish you good luck with your Fredmobile which appears to be a Formula1/streetracer hybrid.

If you want a good glimpse of Formula1 strategy, there are 3 examples. One is Bill Sali in Idaho, a true socon candidate that the media went out of their way to step on. They claimed he was losing in the polls right up to election day. He won big. Similarly, Proposition 187 in Kahleefornya received the same treatment and won by similar margins in one of the most liberal states in the union. Of course, the best example was Ronald Reagan. When the media sees a socon running, they build themselves into such a frenzy that they can’t stop just being themselves, and it makes the choice for average americans very easy to make.