Posted on 10/28/2007 10:40:39 AM PDT by calcowgirl
Spitzer is an egregious POS whose billionaire property magnate father bought him the governor’s job. Rudy has his flaws, but Prince Eliot is in a class of his own.
Rudy is not being blamed for what he did not know.
He is being blamed for saying on the campaign trail that he knew things which he did (and does) not.
Gorelick is irrelevant to this subject. Nice try, though.
She sat there like an ignorant ass as if she wasn't a part of the problem. She knew many people in the FBI like Rudy and The State Dept. This story sounds like a Hillary Media Matters hit piece. Worst of all it was in the Village Voice (Marxist news)
Rudy’s testimony conflicts with Rudy’s campaign statements.
Gorelick, the wall, the Commission, Media Matters, Karl Marx—all irrelevant.
If Rudy were indeed a "lefty", then the VV would be helping him, not attacking him.
Rudy is without a doubt a "lefty," but just like you, the VV prefers, promotes, and votes according to the little letter after the name. Yours is "R;" theirs is "D;" that's the only difference.
Without partisan politics, the there is no power. Lefties only have power via the Democratic party. Conservatives only have power through the Republican party.
No matter how some on FR may wish that this were not so, it is. Conservatives ignore that fact at their peril.
Unfortunately, when the “R” gets so close to the “D” in reality, there is NO conservative option in either party and NO CHOICE. Please spare me the “lesser of two evils” argument since that is what has brought us to the point that the “R” and “D” have become virtually indistinguishable.
So you just give up, eh?
The reality is that politics has been widening out in the last decade, with the left moonbats going wider left, and the right fringe doing the same, both fueled by alternative media. The major political parties haven't changed much in absolute terms.
But that doesn't change the facts that without partisan politics, conservatives have nothing. The only hope is to change the party *without* destroying it in the process by attempting to take it so far away from the center that it can't get elected.
The best way to change the Republicans might be to attack the fringe of the left, and thus give the Rs some breathing room in the center. The anti-abortion people have long ago stopped attempting to change the mind of the general population about abortion, and instead attempt to control the Republican party under the illusion that the party will end abortion for them. Nope, won't happen. The anti-abortion position must become the norm for *both* parties, and then abortion will end. In the mean time, the Ds are making too much hay out of the pro-abortion side, and the Rs the anti-side. That's not a recipe for actually making a change. It's only a recipe for the professional politicians, and the professional special interest groups (both pro and con) to make a living. No one really wants the fight to be over, because all of them lose if the problem is solved.
Meaningful long term change is only done the way the Stalin did it in the 30's. He sent his followers to invade the media and academia, knowing that the left would eventually control that way. The problem is that such a thing takes so long that Stalin never saw his success. Current conservatives will never see their success either, especially since they haven't really begun a coordinated effort the way Stalin did.
And with a party whose head is a liberal like Giuliani, conservatives have nothing. Same difference.
The culture war has been fought and won by the left long ago. Vote for the left, "R's" or "D's" if you like. It's a meaningless "choice."
That's because conservatives are going for instant gratification instead of doing the long term hard work that will put them solidly in power. Stalin put the left in power by telling his followers in the 30's to get into the media, and into academia and raise little leftists.
Conservatives aren't willing to fight a fight that takes longer than one election cycle to win.
That's about the only way one can support this loser for President - ignore what he has actually said and done.
Rudy (Mister Tort Reform) might as well sue the 911 commission....he has already sued everybody else...
The right fringe? Ya mean the folks that actually believe in a sovereign nation? That believe in the right to keep and bear arms? The folks that don't think taxpayers should be forced to pay for abortion? People who think marriage is between a man and a woman? (etc.) Ya mean that "fringe."
Sorry. The "right" hasn't moved much at all. The Republican Party has, however, been infiltrated by a bunch of liberals who want to change everything it stood for.
I would never post anything that the Village (Idiot) Voice says. They are nothing but a leftist lying rag, and this is nothing but a false hit piece.
If you believe that statement, you are incredibly naive. You would also be powerfully underestimating the nature of the left. You don't hold onto power forever unless you earn it.
Conservatives are fighting the fight as we speak. They are fighting to stop the encroachment of liberalism in the GOP.
I am sure you have heard that once you surrender, it is hard to regain what you have given up.
Most of us are bright enough to know that a promise of a miraculous return to conservatism in the GOP is like selling snake oil to the dying.
We aren't going to give ground, especially for a candidate like Rudy. Please remember the GOP contolled Congress and the White House and failed to teach and use their power in an effective way. They had the reins of power and blew it by surrendering conservative principle.
We will continue to fight this until the bitter end. So don't expect a surrender to Giuliani.
contolled=controlled. Typo, sorry
You completely missed my point and why I bought up Stalin. If conservatives ever expect to get back into the mainstream (where abortion is again abhorent, marriage between one man - one woman is the norm, etc.) then they have to do in reverse what Stalin did beginning in the 30's. He told his people to take over the schools, the entertainment industry, and journalism. They did, and 75 years later they have the power.
When conservatives make it their mission to get their kids into the university tenure tracks, into the movie and TV business, and into Journalism, then they will return to the mainstream by dragging the mainstream back to conservative values.
It's a sure way to success, but it will take decades, just like the leftists journey took. Let me know when conservatives actually begin to take such actions as a goal, not merely whine that a Republican politician is not socially conservative enough, while they damage the political party that will be their vehicle back into the mainstream, if they ever become wise enough to take that journey.
Conservatives not willing to fight longer than one election cycle?
The same people criticizing conservatives for fighting against abortion since 1973.
You never addressed me about Stalin. It must have been another FReeper.
I will say that your idea is patently absurd.
You keep fighting. By saying “I think I will give up because Hollywood and Academia are not on my side at the moment”, will get you nothing. The left has generally always been in charge of those institutions. It certainly didn’t stop a conservative landslide by Reagan, twice. People were hungry for real leadership, as they are now.
You do it with perserverance and electing good conservative candidates with vision.
Abandoning principle will bring great loss to this party.
It gives people no choice other than liberalism or elitism, and in some cases, both.
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