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Just for grins and giggles, let's look once again at the 'offensive' post #12 when BlackElk said:

Run Paulie is no pro-life champion but a two-faced libertarian phony. He tells pro-lifers that he is pro-life and files bills to ban all abortions (which, along with the rest of his bills, are NEVER pursued but are mere photo ops).

This would appear to be accurate. I am not aware of any bills filed by Ron Paul with the intention of banning abortions that made it out of the House and sent to the Senate, and the fact that abortions are still freely available on demand would seem to validate that.

SIMULTANEOUSLY, he assures the pro-aborts (many of whom are atheist libertarians) that he does not see federal jurisdiction to end abortion.

The only thing you need to do BlackElk, is to come up with a quote or citation where Ron Paul has expressed such a viewpoint about there not being a federal role in ending abortion. Based on Paul's well known desire to cut, slash and burn the federal government until it's about the size of the government under President Franklin Pierce, finding a quote or reference for this ought to be easy for you BlackElk.

PaleoPaulie is effectively [emphasis mine, mkj] a pro-abort who will refuse to get ANYTHING done to end abortion. Just one more instance of Dr. Demento viewing the constitution as a crippling document preventing us from doing what is right to end the American Holocaust. He is a fake, a phony and a fraud.

That word "effectively" is the defining word. BlackElk has not lied about Ron Paul at all, he has pointed out that because of Paul's views on limited government, that a Ron Paul Presidency would most likely do nothing to end abortion in America, and while he might use the illustrious 'bully pulpit' to condemn abortion and to discourage Americans from considering such murderous acts, that and a couple of bucks will get you a cup o' coffee and maybe a small donut at your local Denny's.

In this area, Ron Paul's views are basically what we hear out of Rudy-Tooty, that he is "personally opposed" to abortion, but he isn't going to do anything about it.

The post (#12) should stand as it is.

READING ASSIGNMENT FOR TONIGHT:

The most popular documents on Abortion and Stem Cell Research:

1. Life and Liberty Ron Paul 2008 Web site

2. Rights of Taxpayers is Missing Element in Stem Cell Debate Ron Paul Newsletter, June 25, 2007

3. Pro-Life Action Must Originate from Principle Ron Paul Speech to Congress, June 4, 2003

4. No Federal Funding for Stem Cell Research Ron Paul Speech to Congress, May 24, 2005

5. The Partial Birth Abortion Ban Ron Paul Speech to Congress, June 4, 2003

6. Pro-Life Politics? Ron Paul Newsletter, March 28, 2005

7. Federalizing Social Policy Ron Paul Newsletter, January 30, 2006

8. Respect for Life begins with Respect for the Constitutional Rule of Law Ron Paul Newsletter, April 30, 2001

9. Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2000 Ron Paul Speech to Congress, April 5, 2000

12 other documents on Abortion and Stem Cell Research:

1. Statement of Faith The Covenant News, July 21, 2007

2. Honoring Pope John Paul II- A Consistent Pro-life Figure Ron Paul Speech to Congress, April 6, 2005

3. No Federal Funding for Abortion! Ron Paul Speech to Congress, April 2, 2003

4. The Tragedy of Partial-Birth Abortion Ron Paul Speech to Congress, July 24, 2002

5. Introduction of the "Human Cloning Prevention Act of 2001" Ron Paul Speech to Congress, December 13, 2001

6. Stem Cell Research and Human Cloning Ron Paul Speech to Congress, July 31, 2001

7. Statement on the Unborn Victims of Violence Act Ron Paul Speech to Congress, April 26, 2001

8. Limitation on Funds for Abortion, Family Planning, or Population Control Efforts Ron Paul Speech to Congress, July 13, 2000

9. The Partial Birth Abortion and Judicial Limitation Act Ron Paul Speech to Congress, February 16, 2000

10. Punishing accidents, ignoring murder Ron Paul Newsletter, September 20, 1999

11. Abortion and National Sovereignty: No Compromises Ron Paul Newsletter, January 26, 1998

12. Being Pro-Life Is Necessary to Defend Liberty Libertarians for Life, 1981

This would appear to be accurate. I am not aware of any bills filed by Ron Paul with the intention of banning abortions that made it out of the House and sent to the Senate, and the fact that abortions are still freely available on demand would seem to validate that.The federal government has no role whatsoever when it comes to abortion. It's a state decision!!! It's scary how clueless you people are on the Constitution.