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Thompson wary of long-term Iraq presence
AP ^ | 27 Oct 2007 | MIKE GLOVER

Posted on 10/27/2007 4:42:33 PM PDT by BGHater

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To: davidosborne

So what part of Iraqis going about their daily business without being blown up would involve LEAVING AL QAEDA IN IRAQ?

Settle down Francis and read the article again....


101 posted on 10/28/2007 12:43:35 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (265 pound Lemming with attitude for Thompson!)
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To: ejonesie22

Like I said, I am still evaluating his words/position.. it appears to me that he is NOT sending a very strong message to our ENEMY .. THAT is THE point.. The only way to defeat this enemy is to let them know that we are in this for as long as THEY decide to fight.. PERIOD.. anything short of that is CUT/RUN in my book.. 100% IN THE FIGHT PERIOD... NON-NEGOTIABLE pre-requisite to be Commander in Chief in my book.. If I misunderstood Fred’s position on this, I will apologize.. but it seems to be that he is NOT in it to win it.. that is a HUGE problem.. tell me where I am wrong... Please


102 posted on 10/28/2007 12:56:10 AM PDT by davidosborne (http://DuncanHunter.meetup.com/1 - GrassRoots Organization(s) to elect Duncan Hunter)
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To: davidosborne
tell me where I am wrong... Please

You are wrong.

Does that help?

Seriously, reread it and then look at everything else Thompson has said about the WOT.

It does not give aid to the enemy to say that mistakes were made in execution, indeed it may well scare the crap out of them that someone wants to correct that, could end up getting more of them killed, something we are failing at IMHO. I know some of my buddies coming back sure would have like to have a little more “flexibility” in day to day operations.

He states in this article a very simple and elegant goal, go about life without being blown up. Al Qaeda does the blowing up so if the goal is no more blowing up, they must be gone. Sounds like a win to me. Then we can come home or move on to the next garden spot with nut jobs.

FWIW I am of the opinion that a lot of folks don’t see us with anything but a small base at most in country there long term. The Iraqis are a proud and nationalistic people and have stated they want us gone once we finish up. It’s a fair deal since we will of course still have a little “pull” there and we have resources in the region anyways.

103 posted on 10/28/2007 1:23:56 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (265 pound Lemming with attitude for Thompson!)
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To: davidosborne

That’s the problem here. Red flags; just like Arnie. Will he go soft on illegals too?


104 posted on 10/28/2007 1:28:16 AM PDT by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: davidosborne

BTTT


105 posted on 10/28/2007 2:53:30 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: AuntB

Fred received the entirely predictable bump immediately after his entrance and the entirely predictable settling of that initial bump.

Last Rasmussen has him at 19% after Rudy’s 20% IIRC. Contrary to your statement, Fred’s a consistent second and steadily gaining.

And please don’t insult the thread’s intelligence denying Fred-trashing from Hunter supporters. People aren’t stupid, you know.


106 posted on 10/28/2007 3:19:29 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (Fred '08 Because our troops DESERVE BETTER than Mrs. Bill Clinton.)
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To: ejonesie22

First we’re presented with NY Times articles as unbiased insight and now the AP.

Next we’ll be told by the Hunterista’s that Maureen Dowd’s columns and Ted Rall’s cartoons represent mainstream opinion and thought.


107 posted on 10/28/2007 3:37:55 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (Fred '08 Because our troops DESERVE BETTER than Mrs. Bill Clinton.)
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To: davidosborne
A lot of people need to gear down a bit. Whoever is in the White House for the next four, eight, sixteen and thirty eight years we will be in Iraq with significant force.

Thompson is exactly right that this will not be a desirable development. He is also right that nobody in a position of resposiblility, or who might actually be in a position of responsibility, can admit the ugly truth. Duncan Hunter enjoys the freedom of insignificance. He can talk about staying in Iraq because he’s never going to be President and everyone knows it including Duncan Hunter.

To admit that we will have a major presence in Iraq when everyone now participating in this forum is long dead would be politically and diplomatically disastrous. Instead of announcing a longterm deployment we will boil the frog. Our withdrawal will be slow and incomplete. The years will drag on until both the American public and the Iraqis are accustomed to our presence there. The American occupation of Iraq will go from unthinkable to natural.

Nothing in what Fred said indicates a lack of commitment to our Arab and Persian War. It only shows that he understands the state of play much better than those who are falling all over themselves to demonstrate their naivete by criticizing him.

108 posted on 10/28/2007 7:06:41 AM PDT by fluffdaddy (we don't need no stinking taglines)
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To: prairiebreeze

They don’t?


109 posted on 10/28/2007 9:04:39 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (265 pound Lemming with attitude for Thompson!)
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To: BGHater
I favor a permanent American presence in the Middle East. We are going to be in Iraq as long as we have been in Germany and Korea and I think that's a good thing. There hasn't been a war where we have our troops for decade. Hey Fred - get your head out of your ass - America equals peace. What equals peace is not loony moonbats demanding our withdrawal from a part of the world where we have a vital national interest - but our boots on the ground there who help to secure and maintain the peace.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

110 posted on 10/28/2007 9:09:41 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: davidosborne
there better be NO DOUBT in your mind that the FRONTLINE in the war on Terror is BAGHDAD, IRAQ... PERIOD !!

I've heard of that place...somewhere...

111 posted on 10/28/2007 9:10:02 AM PDT by Allegra (Greetings from a kinder, gentler Iraq. God bless US and Coalition Forces.)
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To: BGHater

I think we have to recognize at some point that there is a line that constitutes US occupation for our own interests and not for shepherding internal Iraqui stability. It does sort of support that “imperialism” label that some Americans and Europeans have tried to stick on us. We can still have bases like we have in Turkey and not have the military presense and involvement in internal matters that we currently have. But why wouldn’t our other current bases suffice? I don’t think anyone wants to be a permanent police force like in Korea and Germany. - Remind me why we are still there again?

What’s wrong with setting measurable objectives of internal stability, declaring the war won when we achieve them and pulling out except for advisors?


112 posted on 10/28/2007 11:18:07 AM PDT by marsh2
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To: davidosborne
What seems to be missing from the dialogs being offered here is the fact that the Iraqi have been strongly hinting they want the US to stay in Iraq once things fully stablize. Talibani and a few others are on the record a year back or so as stating Iraq would be well served for US and western forces to stay in country.
Maliki made a comment not that far back, I believe perhaps mid 2006 that Iraq would like to become a NATO partner.
Duncan will surely take this route if the republicans can gain the hill as well as stay in the executive branch.
And with todays economies at hand, if things where done right, it could not be a burden on the tax payer.
Hunter is the best man for any of the national defense and military establishment issues. And surely he wants the fences to go up on the southern borders, and toughter immigration standards set.
113 posted on 10/28/2007 5:22:59 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Duncan Hunter for POTUS)
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To: davidosborne

Duncan Hunter brother.


114 posted on 10/28/2007 8:49:23 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: Calpernia

I really like Duncan Hunter!


115 posted on 10/28/2007 8:51:31 PM PDT by bethtopaz (Liberals don't lie--- they just forget where they buried the dismembered remains of the truth.)
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To: bethtopaz

BTTT


116 posted on 10/28/2007 8:54:40 PM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: BGHater
was leery of a long-term presence

We need to be there. For a very long time. Strategic strike forces using bases in Iraq can keep the mid east evildoers in line.

117 posted on 10/28/2007 9:10:25 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: davidosborne
I need to study his position in a bit more detail before I make a final determination..... If he is not 100% committed to FIGHTING and DEFEATING Al-Quida in IRAQ.. 99% is not good enough

Concur. But do note that if we have largish facilities in the theatre, it'll make the possibility of fratricide more problematic if we have to go nuclear, retaliatory or otherwise.

Thompson may have a valid point, or he may be waffling.

If he can't come up with a clearly focused position paper, we'll know.

118 posted on 10/29/2007 7:57:53 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: BGHater
The best thing about our Iraq endeavor, and Bush’s presidency, is that we now have a huge military presence within striking distance of Iran and Syria, two countries that we WILL have to deal with sooner rather than later.

What possible policy could Fred have for dealing with Iran where a presence in the country that shares it’s longest border wouldn’t be beneficial to that policy?

119 posted on 10/29/2007 8:32:17 AM PDT by Perchant
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To: archy

I 2nd that ! ... A strong U.S. presence in Iraq is KEY to stability in the Middle East.. that is one of the reasons I have stated over and over again that Baghdad in CENTRAL to the Global war on terror.. PERIOD


120 posted on 10/29/2007 9:41:19 AM PDT by davidosborne (http://DuncanHunter.meetup.com/1 - GrassRoots Organization(s) to elect Duncan Hunter)
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